The Official Vortec 454 Info thread

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After the big thread on FSC vanished, a treasure trove of information, tips, tricks, as well as a collection of interesting subjects and cool trucks were lost.
This is the attempt to try and provide a database of sorts for these dinosaurs; it seems there's always two or three threads of someone asking the same, or at least close to the same questions.

If an admin sees this, could you please sticky this so it doesn't get buried? Thanks in advance.

Picture and a little background on my truck to kick this off, feel free to post up your truck and how it's modded with any information you have to post up!
1996 Chevy K2500 - 454/Auto - 0411 swapped, true dual exhaust, relatively stock other than that.
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Thanks Brody!

First off, our factory MPFI injectors are not considered reliable or even worth keeping in the truck if they're removed for maintenance. A common mod is to replace them with a bosch style injector which will have a 4-hole atomizer tip. This will give you a slight bump in MPG, but you won't notice a performance benefit.

Ford 4.6 (and many other v8's like the '90's 5.0/5.4's) used "yellow top injectors", which are 19lbm/hr @ 3 bar, which match pretty close to our factory injector's flow rate of 24lbm/hr at 4 bar.

5-0 Motorsports injector number for 5.0L mustangs:
0280150556, FOTE-D5B (Yellow-tops)

GM MPFI injector flow rates
1986-’93: 22 lb/hr (43.5 psi)
1994-’96: 24 lb/hr (43.5 psi)
1990-’92 ZR-1: 20 lb/hr primary, 20 lb/hr secondary (2 per cylinder) (43.5 psi)
1993-’95 ZR-1: 20 lb/hr primary, 20 lb/hr secondary (2 per cylinder) (43.5 psi) (redesigned for ethanol resistance)
1997-’98 LS1: 28 lb/hr (58 psi) (maro/fbird 98 only) (Use L29 clips?)
1999-’00 LS1: 26 lb/hr
2001-’04 LS1/LS6: 28 lb/hr PN 0280155931 (What I use and have injector data for use with HPtuners) found in CADILLAC CTS 2004-2005, CHEVROLET CAMARO 2001-2002, CHEVROLET CORVETTE 2001-2004, PONTIAC FIREBIRD 2001-2002, PONTIAC GTO 2004

2005-up LS2: 33 lb/hr
2006-up LS7: 39 lb/hr
2008-up LS3: 41 lb/hr

LS1/LS6 engines all came equipped with Delphi EV1 injectors.
Different p/n's have different lb/hr rated injectors

12533952, 12482704, 12561462 are rated 28.6lb/hr @ 58psi.
12456154, 12555894 are rated 26.2lb/hr @ 58psi.

BSFC: .42 FACTORY
1bar=1atm=14.7psia
4bar = 58.8psi (Factory pressure) 19lbm/hr at 3bar is 22.01 @ 4bar

Common practices:
Most guys go by the factory plug specs and just roll with it. For our trucks and anyone looking to tow or get some more performance, this is a bad idea. It has been dyno proven and was previously posted on FSC that a plug gap of .045" vs .060" eliminated misfires under heavy load on Gen VI 454's.

Intake gaskets are a common problem. Plus the factory-fill dex cool turns to mush as it breaks down and also oxidizes all of the picked up iron molecules from the block. If you pick up a 454 and it eats/leaks coolant it's likely coming from the lower intake.

My tips on the intake manifold job are
-Use blue loctite, or pipe dope, to seal the intake manifold bolts when you tighten them down. Chevy techs recommend loctite, my Gen 6 engine building book says pipe dope. Its whatever you prefer. The oil pressure sending unit for your dash gauge is just behind the intake manifold. I broke mine when aligning it to install. Its not hard to replace if you break it, at least when the upper plenum is off.
-Be careful pulling out injectors. I pried under the sides of the bodies of the injectors and intake casting a little at a time on each until it popped out. Use a liberal amount of ATV or WD-40 (compressed air beforehand) to help save the bore and your O-rings. If you're upgrading your injectors:

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-The A/C compressor can just unbolt and you can lay it back on the passenger fender on an old towel. I removed ALL of the harness around the manifold, which requires going all the way back to the oil sending unit on the bottom of the driver's side of the motor.

Upper plenum: Felpro ms95787
Lower: Felpro ms95826

Cam stuff:
Stock Camshaft is retarded 6* via the factory timing set. If you change the timing chain out to an aftermarket unit YOU WILL CHANGE CAM TIMING... expect the engine to perform a little different. A ProGear PG4149ST Timing set will put cam back at 0*
(GM #12552296) camshaft lift .480 intake / .483 exhaust, duration @ .050" 204° intake / 209° exhaust, LSA 118. 119 intake centerline
Material Steel, Camshaft Type Roller lifter

A few guys have gone the distance and installed a "ZZ502" (GM part #12366543) cam to get the engine to breath and make power. This is a great leap, as you have to pull the heads and have the valve stem guides machined down. At anything over .500 lift (with stock retainers, up to about .520 with different retainers) the spring retainer hits the guide upon valve opening.

Stock intake lobe: 1.607" - base circle 1.326" = .281" x rocker arm ratio 1.7 = .477" valve lift
Stock exhaust lobe: 1. 610" - base circle 1.326" = .284" x rocker arm ratio 1.7 = .483" valve lift

ZZ502 intake lobe: 1.608" - base circle 1.298" = .310" x rocker arm ratio 1.7 = .527" valve lift
ZZ502 exhaust lobe: 1.618" - base circle 1.298" = .320" x rocker arm ratio 1.7 = .544" valve lift

Comp 1411-16, ARP 135-7102 studs, with ARP Posi Locks will fit under stock valve covers.

98-2000 454’s use 3/8” pushrods and have the appropriate guideplates. 96/97 have 5/16 rods and plates. https://www.gmt400.com/threads/my-9...i-need-or-should-do.46579/page-4#post-1068683

GM performance parts #12495518 is for adj rocker arms. New lock nuts are part #3896648


Oil cooler hose parts, because the factory ones leak like crazy and are usually blowing on everyone. If you change hoses, use ones with STEEL hose crimps, not aluminum... those leak.

Here are the NAPA (Balkamp) PNs for the oil cooler hoses and block fittings:
Hoses: 823-4070 & 823-4071 ($20 ea)
Fittings: 730-4951 w/o check valve ($6)
730-5636 w/ check valve ($4.74)


Edlebrok performance heads with factory Combustion chamber size 100-110cc, valves set for .700 lift, I-2.190 E-1.880, 3/8” guideplates : http://www.summitracing.com/parts/EDL-60499/

GM Vortec EGR blockoff plate p/n is 12554606. It gets you an EGR blockoff plate for the Vortec 4.3/305/350 engines. Its part of RPO NM8 as are the following 2 parts. 12556596 gets you the part that screws into the drivers side exhaust manifold for EGR feed. 7/8-14 UNF-2A THREAD) 12556597 gets you the cap that screws onto 12556596 and caps off the exhaust manifold.

IDK who this was, but I quoted them: "According to Federal Mogul, our stock springs are super weak - seat pressure is around 85 pounds. I'm going to run the stock rotators still; I'm not sure why everybody with cams is deleting them. They can handle over 400 pounds of open spring pressure and it's not like our engines hit high RPMs." and this guy tested his to be 95lbs. So, there's room to improve to get a few more RPMs out of the engine.


I thought I had more, but that's basically all the nibbles and bits I saved from the FSC 454 thread.

I also have a book (some call "THE book") on building/rebuilding the Gen5/6 big blocks. Usually $500 on ebay but I found some used book place online selling it for $25. Does anyone think I'd get my rear caved in if I scanned it and made a PDF?
 
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WOW! What a resource- thx all!! Covid has allowed me more time to work on the k2500 and sure enough, I am on to tackling the Bosch 4 hole upgraded injectors + fuel pressure regulator and intake gaskets. The 7.4 L vortec is such a great workhorse!
 

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@Mangonesailor; I don't think you'd get in trouble converting the book into a PDF file, I'd definitely appreciate it.
Hell I might even try to track down the book for a physical copy to use in the garage!
 

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I also have a book (some call "THE book") on building/rebuilding the Gen5/6 big blocks. Usually $500 on ebay but I found some used book place online selling it for $25. Does anyone think I'd get my rear caved in if I scanned it and made a PDF?

If you're worried about just posting up a pdf of the book you could upload it the google drive then provide a link to that location? As least that makes it one step removed. FWIW though when i was in college we found quite a few of our text books in pdf format posted around the internet, I'd imagine major publishers like that get more testy about free versions of their books?
 

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re: the advice on the skinny profile Channel-Lock brand adjustable wrench I used to break the EGR tube coupling nut loose...please note that 7.4 EGR tube is NOT AVAILABLE ANYWHERE, discontinued and not offered by the aftermarket. So take care when removing yours. That wrench was perfect for the job, as well as the block of wood on the valve cover as backup for it. And don't forget; PB Blaster is your friend...as well as anti-seize, on re-assembly.

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Do yall remember the name of the thread? sometimes you can pull that stuff from google archives
 
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