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4K square feet in the main building leaves you plenty of space for a full bay's width between doors, and also the redneck living room. Just a suggestion. I mean, while we're spending other people's money... :)

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A little mood lighting.. lol

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I added a coffee table after the pics were taken.. dammit I miss my old place.

Richard
Now I’m wondering if I’ll have enough room for a couple of comfy chairs (or even a modest couch) and a coffee table. Hmmmm.
 

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Now I’m wondering if I’ll have enough room for a couple of comfy chairs (or even a modest couch) and a coffee table. Hmmmm.
3rd row out of a Suburban, or armrest benches out of a passenger van.. resale shop coffee table (I actually still have the one in the pics, it's in my living room now, very solid old Lane piece).. Monster Garage dvd's running on the beat-up old monstrous projection TV.. and some BBQ going on a 55 gallon drum pit right outside the door. You can do it. :)

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Guys, reading all the square footage of your sheds is making me insanely jealous. I run a one-man sheetmetal fab and welding shop out of my 320 sq feet garage at home with no room to expand. It is surprising what you can fit into that small of a space when you need to, nearly everything is on wheels so it can be rearranged as necessary. When the sun shines I open the single roller door and move my truck back to utilize the driveway.
Putting wheels on everything is a great solution for creating more functional space.

I don’t know who first decided to place wheels under their tool chest, but that one simple innovation has made life for wrenching folk much easier ever since.

My wheeled toolbox is a three tier Craftsman of standard width, which allows me to hold a sufficient quantity of tools to get most jobs done, and to place it right where I need it. I’m really looking forward to being able to use it again, as it is currently stored in a barn, and therefore not very accessible.

Now you’ve got me thinking that a wheeled work table, maybe 30” x 60”, might be a very handy thing to have in this garage…
 

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3rd row out of a Suburban, or armrest benches out of a passenger van.. resale shop coffee table (I actually still have the one in the pics, it's in my living room now, very solid old Lane piece).. Monster Garage dvd's running on the beat-up old monstrous projection TV.. and some BBQ going on a 55 gallon drum pit right outside the door. You can do it. :)

Richard
Great idea! I actually am storing, in a barn, the 3rd row seats from both of my Suburbans. I hadn’t thought of using them for couches until now.

Btw, I just noticed that you have a 300C SRT8!
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@Erik the Awful suggested a fan, a 20”. A 36” fan seems huge, but I get that it could move more air more quietly. I’ll definitely look into that.
That fan's only for ventilation while welding or other stuff. It is pretty noisy. I have a 4' wide Portacool for summertime. It's nearly silent and really moves the air. It's also way too big to fit in my shop but I'm not giving it up.

1st was a 26x47 garage out back of my house... drew all my plans up... hired a contractor, etc... when went to get permit, he said city wont allow a garage with footprint bigger than house...
I'd show up in person and ask to see where that is in the city code. It sounds like a case of jealousy.

I've cleaned a lot of shops, and I wouldn't tilt the floor. Of course, we usually had squeegees and teamwork that made it easier. "Lift with your airmen, not with your back."

For windows, how much is security a concern? I don't need windows, so I didn't put any on my shop. On my wife's shop we put small windows 4' up off the ground, and only on the sides that face the house.

I put 4 speakers up high in the corners of my shop and ran the wire to the stereo before I populated the shop. I also have a 36" 1080p TV with a Raspberry Pi keyboard computer above my toolbox. I can run music from either the stereo or the TV, but the stereo sounds much nicer.
 

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Now that you’ve got me thinking, it might be kind of neat to have a window over the workbench, much like a window can be nice to have over a kitchen sink.

Exactly! In good weather, I prefer to be outdoors. And in bad weather, I prefer to view the outdoors
from a warm, dry vantage point. :0) Anyway, I found an old photo of the main work bench with a
view of a nice rural back yard in a densely forested area in VT:

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1) If you look carefully at the reflection in the window, you can also see that we lit this garage
with plenty of (then new) compact fluorescent bulbs. Each 23W bulb replaced a 100W incandescent,
so that gave us a 4:1 power consumption improvement. (Pretty heady stuff in the '00s)

In addition, we wired the lights 5 to a circuit, with 5 circuits, each on it's own switch. So if I was
working solo, I could control how much light I needed. Usually I'd turn on a couple of circuits over
where I was working - more than enough light where I was working for 230 watts total. Meanwhile,
the 3 other circuits were off. But if we had several people in the shop then all 25 were on, for a total
usage of 575 watts.

At the time, electricity was somewhere around 12¢ per kilowatt-hour, so solo I could have all the light
I needed for a 4-hour session for ~12¢. Today, the 100W-equivalent LEDs are down to 15 watts --
that's only 375 watts for all 25 bulbs. (!)

2) After soaking several previous wooden workbenches with engine oil, stinky 90-wt, coolant, etc., the decision was
made to put a few coats of polyurethane down on the plywood (finished 1 side) before putting it into
service. NOTE: The counter-argument to finishing the workbench was that it would be 'too pretty' to
use.

The solution? A local business that specialized in installing custom kitchen countertops had some
waste (in the form of kitchen sink cutouts) that they would sell for a song. We bought a couple, marked
them as "work surface", and then the rule became if you needed to really wrestle around with something
that would gouge the workbench, then you put the offending piece on the 'don't care' Formica work surface
atop the workbench. Wail away to your heart's content! :0)

This has worked ever since, and cleanup only takes seconds using Behold and a cleaning rag. As a bonus,
the shop no longer has that persistent 90-wt funk in the air.

3) It can't be seen in the photo, but we set this shop up where *everything* was on wheels. The ability to
reconfigure the shop to best meet the needs of the current project made it work like it was 50%
bigger than it was, thanks to being able to get rid of pinch-points that would inevitably develop.

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Judging from all the responses to this thread, you have really found a subject that gets the
collective juices flowing. Moving up from looking for a dropped nut in gravel while it's raining
to a finished concrete floor is a giant leap for those doing their own work on their GMT400s.

But for a lucky few, they take their workspace to the next level, where it ends up somewhere
between a motorhead Day Spa and a Zen Garden. With a pinball machine. :)
 
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That fan's only for ventilation while welding or other stuff. It is pretty noisy. I have a 4' wide Portacool for summertime. It's nearly silent and really moves the air. It's also way too big to fit in my shop but I'm not giving it up.
Ah. That makes sense. How high up did you mount the fan?
I'd show up in person and ask to see where that is in the city code. It sounds like a case of jealousy.

I've cleaned a lot of shops, and I wouldn't tilt the floor. Of course, we usually had squeegees and teamwork that made it easier. "Lift with your airmen, not with your back."
The floor will definitely be level. Squeegees do work really well. The other approach I really like using on a smooth floor is floor sweep compound and a quality push broom. It really picks up dirt and dust - even fine dust. Realistically, I’ll probably be using more of that combo than water to keep the floor clean.

But the floor will be level.
For windows, how much is security a concern? I don't need windows, so I didn't put any on my shop. On my wife's shop we put small windows 4' up off the ground, and only on the sides that face the house.
Security hasn’t been a concern here, and likely won’t be. The garage will be within 100’ of the house, which is at the end of a ½ mile long gravel driveway. Plus we have an outside dog. Nonetheless, on the left (east) wall, I moved the window to be 4’ from the door, rather than 2’, to enhance security.

The main concern over windows for me is preserving wall space for shelving (including those for Christmas stuff ), taller cabinets, and for hanging the mountainbikes.

Still, it might be nice to have a window by the workbench. However, I may get vetoed over the idea of adding another window. My gf has become concerned with scope creep.

And to tell the truth, a window at each end will probably be just fine. It will be a well-lit space.

And I’m envious that your wife wrenches too! I assume that’s what she does in her shop?
I put 4 speakers up high in the corners of my shop and ran the wire to the stereo before I populated the shop. I also have a 36" 1080p TV with a Raspberry Pi keyboard computer above my toolbox. I can run music from either the stereo or the TV, but the stereo sounds much nicer.
That sounds like a nice setup. I can see eventually upgrading the sound system, and maybe even adding a screen for youtube stuff; but for now the Bose Sound Dock will suffice.

The other thing I need to plan for is internet access. We have Starlink in the house, which works really well, but I’ll probably have to add a router to extend service to the garage.
 

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The main concern over windows for me is preserving wall space for shelving (including those for Christmas stuff ), taller cabinets, and for hanging the mountainbikes.

Still, it might be nice to have a window by the workbench. However, I may get vetoed over the idea of adding another window. My gf has become concerned with scope creep.

And to tell the truth, a window at each end will probably be just fine. It will be a well-lit space.
You mentioned earlier moving one of the side windows into your sightline for where you will be doing most of your work.

That would do the trick for me, especially when given the competing need for adequate shelf space on the wall.
The art of compromise is essential...
 

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Ah. That makes sense. How high up did you mount the fan?
Doh! You asked this before and I thought I'd answered. It's 10' up, right above the welding bench.

And I’m envious that your wife wrenches too! I assume that’s what she does in her shop?
She does basket weaving, painting, etc. Mostly her shop just collects piles of stuff, but she's making a lot of effort to get rid of junk and organize what she's using. Her biggest problem has been mold - she has a similar fan in her shop on a thermostat and humdistat. The humidistat has made a huge difference, but it's not 100% effective. The larger problem she has is that the contractor tried to skimp on the foundation and the city inspector caught it - as the concrete was on its way. He had to hurriedly dig the footing out a few inches larger. As a result, the building sits a couple inches lower than intended, which means that the east side of the building is almost flush with the ground. My recommendation is to make it clear to the builder that you want the foundation to spec, and get it up a couple inches if you can. You can always buy mulch to build up the ground to the level of the slab for driving onto the pad, and the floor of the shop should be an inch above the pad.

This also brings to mind - you absolutely want insulation in your shop. You can't add it after it's built. Mine has a simple layer of bubble-wrap, and it's not really effective. My wife's shop has R5 insulation, and it works good, but that's part of what traps humidity in the building.
 
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