Tools needed for my 95 c3500hd 7.4L dually?

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I hardly know where to start.

In the 1980s or earlier, a person in your position would watch the weekly Sears advertising supplements, until a medium-large Craftsman tool set was on sale, and then buy it. Then wait until the Craftsman Metric add-on set was promoted, and buy that. And somewhere along the line, they'd have a decent-sized Craftsman tool box for sale at a discount. Craftsman was Professonal- (apprentice-) grade tools, FABULOUS value, wonderful warranty. Tools themselves varied between "Really OK" and "Great", with the "Great" stuff generally not being part of the heavily-discounted sets.

Craftsman has become "Crapsman". Offshored, reduced-quality, specializing in useless junk "gimmick" tools that go on sale for Christmas and Father's day, when people are tired of giving Dad cologne.

I decided years ago to buy a large wheeled tool cabinet, rather than a small wheeled cabinet, and stack intermediate- and top-chests onto the small wheeled cabinet. That way I have enough storage, but also a usable-height work surface. I don't need a step-ladder to see into the top of my tool chest.

Hit the pawn shops, rummage and estate sales, eBay and Craigslist. Buy USED, MADE IN AMERICA (or Canada) tools instead of brand-new Communist Crap. If you're built like me (on the smaller side) pay extra for long-pattern wrenches, and long-handled ratchets. The extra leverage is most useful. But then, you may ALSO need to buy extra-short wrenches and ratchets due to tight working clearance, later.

GOOD screwdrivers (and tools in general) are an investment. Cheap screwdrivers are disposable. Choose wisely. A good compromise--for most uses--is a good-quality ratchting screwdriver handle and shaft, and interchangeable/inexpensive straight, Phillips, hex, Torx and other specialty bits. One of the (small) ratchets you buy should be specifically for those 1/4" shank bits, for when you need more leverage than a screwdriver can provide.

If you're in a Hazzard Fraught store, you're probably buying "disposable" "Tool-Shaped Objects", although I've heard they've made some improvements.

You'll need 1/4" drive, 3/8" drive, and 1/2" drive ratchets, various extensions, U-joints, and sockets. I'm heaviest on 3/8" drive, but with a good selection of 1/4" and 1/2" as well. I have little in 3/4" drive, and I have to be really angry to use it.

IN GENERAL, and with exceptions, any wrench or socket for hex nuts and bolts should be 6-point for any size smaller than 1/2" or 12mm. 12-point makes sense for sizes larger than 5/8 or 16mm, and you need both for the sizes in-between (1/2--5/8, and 12--16mm)

You WILL need a mutimeter, and it will need to have a dwell meter or duty-cycle position. Miliamps to ~10 amperes, higher is better. Milivolts to as many volts as you can get. Ohmmeter capable of measuring and displaying down to one-half ohm, lower is better; and into the megohm range. Capacitance testing is a bonus. Battery testing (AAA--D cell, maybe some "button" batteries) is a bonus, but not for automotive use.

Timing light. Dial-back ("advance") is nice, not absolutely essential. Pretty much any timing light you pick up at a pawn shop should be fine, IF it works properly.

75 ft/lb or 100 ft/lb 3/8" torque wrench, plus a 50--250 1/2" drive torque wrench. Don't buy junk. And don't buy "electronic" torque wrenches, as they cost extra to re-calibrate.

Vacuum gauge/low-pressure fuel pressure gauge (the fuel pressure part will be useless to you, but they're often sold as a vacuum/pressure gauge)

Get a spark-tester that's suitable for HEI. You want one with an actual spark gap, DO NOT buy one that flashes a stupid light-bulb.

You'll need some kind of "12 volt" test light. Mine has a regular incandescent light bulb which works well for some stuff, and not at all for other things, especially related to electronic (as opposed to "electric") devices. A "computer safe" test light with LED bulbs (red and green, typically) is what I should get. A self-coiling cord with a proper alligator clip on the end is very recommended.

You need to research the "Tool Truck" tool brands. They rarely sell junk, but they're hatefully expensive. The same tools can be purchased under different brand names--and sometimes made with different-color plastic boxes or different-shaped handles on the ratchets--from the same companies that supply the "Tool Truck" brand names. Lang, Mayhew, Mastercool, Wilde, and others make some of the things that get branded with the Tool Truck logos, but are available under their own name for less money from Amazon or perhaps from www.harryepstein.com. Another good tool source selling closeout/distressed merchandise is https://www.cripedistributing.com/

Snap-On is the King of the Tool Trucks. They actually make a large proportion of their stuff, the bought-in tools are often branded "Blue Point" rather than Snap-On. The Snap-On company owns a lot of other tool companies that supply "custom" stuff to Snap-On, but sell very similar stuff directly and at lower prices. Snap-On owns Williams, which has a Taiwan line and a USA line, and the USA stuff is very good at less than Snap-On pricing.

Mac Tools is often supplied by Proto--both companies are owned by Stanley Black 'n' Decker.

Matco Tools buys-in almost their entire line. They "make" tool boxes, and source everything else from a variety of suppliers.

Cornwell Tools also buys-in almost their entire line. They do make some stuff, on the expensive end of the range. They own a tool-box manufacturer. The bulk of their sales is from outside suppliers.

Wright is an "industrial" tool company, family-owned and mostly USA-made. They don't sell from "the Truck", and they're not bargain-basement priced, but not as high as Snappy or Mac or the other Truck brands. Their wrenches are exceptional, (if not as long as I'd prefer) and everything else is "only" really good. Their focus is NOT on auto repair, so they have little or nothing for specialty tools for automobile work. But wrenches, screwdrivers, sockets, ratchets...all the "universal" stuff is top-notch.

SK used to be a fantastic, USA tool company. They got sold to the Communist Chinese a couple of years ago, and went straight to hell. USED SK is great. New SK is a total crapshoot--some OK, some direct from China.

You will need a scan tool. There's a multitude of devices, including laptop-computer-plus-software-and-adapter cord, to "dongles" and smart-phones, to cheap-junk "consumer grade" tools, to genuine pro-level standalone scan tools. Too much to cover here, and I have zero experience with anything but a couple of Snap-On Pro-level tools.

Don't overlook the "loaner tool" program at various automotive parts stores. All sorts of specialty equipment can be "bought" and then returned for a full refund.
Talk about a well thought-out response, and drinking from the firehose. :)

You've probably figured out at this point you can quickly spend more than you paid for the truck, on just tools (and tool storage) alone. This would be where I would say, buy 'em as you need 'em. Trying to get everything up front will break you, especially when "everything" is huge and the need is subjective.

Something that hasn't been mentioned yet - quality floor jack and stands. On any vehicle you don't want to skimp here, but ESPECIALLY on a heavy truck. You can spend a fortune on this stuff so shop carefully. There's a lot of junk out there and some of it still costs a lot so you can't judge strictly by price.

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My understanding is that a breaker bar is a purposely manufactured tool, whereas a cheater bar is typically a piece of pipe slid over the handle of a tool to provide leverage beyond what the tool was originally designed.
Yes, I should have made that distinction! I have a couple of "cheater pipes" made out of conduit, that Dad made probably 30 years ago. The bigger one is ovaled on one end so it'll slide over the handle on the 1/2" Craftsman ratchet. I also have a Craftsman 1/2" breakover bar, about 2' long I beam, that has been leaned on many a time to bust big tight bolts loose. I have a round bar Challenger 3/8" drive one and a little teeny 1/4" drive Proto one.
Dad also cut a 3' piece of chain link fence top rail to make a really big cheater pipe. Used it once to bust some lug nuts loose, to get a set of wheels at the wrecking yard. Looked janky but it worked. Now it's under the back seat in Rawhide, along with my other big tools. Just in case I need em, or need something big to whack some dipsh!t with....

Something else I would suggest carrying: whatever is required to change the serpentine belt. The Vortec small blocks need a 3/8" square drive, to go in the square hole in the tensioner body. I have a long bar from Northern Tool made for that purpose; snap the square pin in the hole and lean on it to release the tensioner. Not sure exactly how the big block is set up cause the ones I've been around still used V belts.
When that one belt makes the difference between getting somewhere or stuck somewhere, gotta be able to fix it....
 

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Talk about a well thought-out response, and drinking from the firehose. :)

You've probably figured out at this point you can quickly spend more than you paid for the truck, on just tools (and tool storage) alone. This would be where I would say, buy 'em as you need 'em. Trying to get everything up front will break you, especially when "everything" is huge and the need is subjective.

Something that hasn't been mentioned yet - quality floor jack and stands. On any vehicle you don't want to skimp here, but ESPECIALLY on a heavy truck. You can spend a fortune on this stuff so shop carefully. There's a lot of junk out there and some of it still costs a lot so you can't judge strictly by price.

Richard
You are correct in the cost going well over the vehicle's QUICKLY. Initially ot seems I will focus on used sockets/hand tools. As schurkey said I (created a Facebook) looked on fb marketplace and have 2 people ill meet over the next few days to potentially buy their old tools. I say potentially because if they can't haggle it's a no go.

As I learn what to buy, I'll buy any steals I see on our side job (wife and I purchase and resell liquidated assets) as we go along.

I have to be up in 5 hours for work, so I'll catch up on this thread tomorrow. I'm excited for all the responses though!
 

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My understanding is that a breaker bar is a purposely manufactured tool, whereas a cheater bar is typically a piece of pipe slid over the handle of a tool to provide leverage beyond what the tool was originally designed.
I heard "yes, a breaker bar is a rigged custom made tool to get the job done"!
 

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You are correct in the cost going well over the vehicle's QUICKLY. Initially ot seems I will focus on used sockets/hand tools. As schurkey said I (created a Facebook) looked on fb marketplace and have 2 people ill meet over the next few days to potentially buy their old tools. I say potentially because if they can't haggle it's a no go.

As I learn what to buy, I'll buy any steals I see on our side job (wife and I purchase and resell liquidated assets) as we go along.

I have to be up in 5 hours for work, so I'll catch up on this thread tomorrow. I'm excited for all the responses though!
A large amount of my tools have come used from craigslist and FB type posts. Both of my roll boxes, top box, and cart are all SnapOn - used (well the top box was bought off the SnapOn truck cheap, as a trade-in) .. some of them were bought with tools. Plenty out there going for high prices but if you keep at it you'll find the deals.

Diagnostic tools can often be found on ebay. In many cases, a used quality item is a better purchase than a new disposable one.

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I will argue that Harbor Freight's tools are actually pretty decent. I stripped the teeth on my HF ratchet this last weekend, but I was using an 18" cheater pipe to try and bust loose creaky bolts on a bumper. A Snap-On wouldn't have withstood the stress.

Here's my Pull-A-Part toolbox, and it'll get you through most maintenance.
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I hardly know where to start.

In the 1980s or earlier, a person in your position would watch the weekly Sears advertising supplements, until a medium-large Craftsman tool set was on sale, and then buy it. Then wait until the Craftsman Metric add-on set was promoted, and buy that. And somewhere along the line, they'd have a decent-sized Craftsman tool box for sale at a discount. Craftsman was Professional- (Apprentice-) grade tools, FABULOUS value, wonderful warranty. Tools themselves varied between "Really OK" and "Great", with the "Great" stuff generally not being part of the heavily-discounted sets.

Craftsman has become "Crapsman". Offshored, reduced-quality, specializing in useless junk "gimmick" tools that go on sale for Christmas and Father's day, when people are tired of giving Dad cologne.

I decided years ago to buy a large, wheeled tool cabinet, rather than a small, wheeled cabinet, and stack intermediate- and top-chests onto the small wheeled cabinet. That way I have enough storage, but also a usable-height work surface. I don't need a step-ladder to see into the top of my tool chest.

Hit the pawn shops, rummage and estate sales, eBay and Craigslist. Buy USED, MADE IN AMERICA (or Canada) tools instead of brand-new Communist Crap. If you're built like me (on the smaller side) pay extra for long-pattern wrenches, and long-handled ratchets. The extra leverage is most useful. But then, you may ALSO need to buy extra-short wrenches and ratchets due to tight working clearance, later.

GOOD screwdrivers (and tools in general) are an investment. Cheap screwdrivers are disposable. Choose wisely. A good compromise--for most uses--is a good-quality ratcheting screwdriver handle and shaft, and interchangeable/inexpensive straight, Phillips, hex, Torx and other specialty bits. One of the (small) ratchets you buy should be specifically for those 1/4" shank bits, for when you need more leverage than a screwdriver can provide.

If you're in a Hazzard Fraught store, you're probably buying "disposable" "Tool-Shaped Objects", although I've heard they've made some improvements.

You'll need 1/4" drive, 3/8" drive, and 1/2" drive ratchets, various extensions, U-joints, and sockets. I'm heaviest on 3/8" drive, but with a good selection of 1/4" and 1/2" as well. I have little in 3/4" drive, and I have to be really angry to use it.

IN GENERAL, and with exceptions, any hand-powered wrench or socket for hex nuts and bolts should be 6-point for any size smaller than 1/2" or 12mm. 12-point makes sense for sizes larger than 5/8 or 16mm, and you need both for the sizes in-between (1/2--5/8, and 12--16mm). Impact sockets are nearly always 6-point. I don't think I own a 12-point impact socket.

Flare-nut wrenches are used on...well...flare nuts. Flare nuts are what connect brake tubing, and some fuel tubing; and various other hydraulic/pneumatic plumbing. Cheap tools will spread open and wreck the flare nut. Snap-On is "the" company to buy from for flare-nut wrenches and crowfeet. SK has done well in some testing. Most flare-nut tools are a potential disaster. Even the "good" tools need considerable care and experience when used with rusty/seized flare nuts.

You WILL need a multimeter, and it will need to have a dwell meter or duty-cycle position. Miliamps to ~10 amperes, higher is better. Milivolts to as many volts as you can get. Ohmmeter capable of measuring and displaying down to one-half ohm, lower is better; and into the megohm range. Capacitance testing is a bonus. Battery testing (AAA--D cell, maybe some "button" batteries) is a bonus, but not for automotive use.

Timing light. Dial-back ("advance") is nice, not absolutely essential. Pretty much any timing light you pick up at a pawn shop should be fine, IF it works properly.

75 ft/lb or 100 ft/lb 3/8" torque wrench, plus a 50--250 1/2" drive torque wrench. Don't buy junk. And don't buy "electronic" torque wrenches, as they cost extra to re-calibrate.

Vacuum gauge/low-pressure fuel pressure gauge (the fuel pressure part will be useless to you, but they're often sold as a vacuum/pressure gauge)

Get a spark-tester that's suitable for HEI. You want one with an actual spark gap, DO NOT buy one that flashes a stupid light-bulb.

You'll need some kind of "12 volt" test light. Mine has a regular incandescent light bulb which works well for some stuff, and not at all for other things, especially related to electronic (as opposed to "electric") devices. A "computer safe" test light with LED bulbs (red and green, typically) is what I should get. A self-coiling cord with a proper alligator clip on the end is very recommended.

You need to research the "Tool Truck" tool brands, so you can recognize high-quality stuff at the rummage sale or Craigslist. Tool-trucks rarely sell junk, but they're hatefully expensive when new, and often "high" priced used. Identical quality tools can be purchased under different brand names--and sometimes made with different-color plastic boxes or different-shaped handles on the ratchets--from the same companies that supply the "Tool Truck" brand names. Beware "knockoffs", cheap-junk imported tools designed and presented to "look" just like the big-name originals. Lang, Mayhew, Mastercool, Wilde, Lisle, Thexton, Trusty-Cook, and others make some of the things that get branded with the Tool Truck logos, but are available under their own name for less money from Amazon or perhaps from www.harryepstein.com. Another good tool source selling closeout/distressed merchandise is https://www.cripedistributing.com/

Snap-On is the King of the Tool Trucks. They actually make a large proportion of their stuff, the bought-in tools are often sold under their "companion"* brand "Blue Point" rather than Snap-On. The Snap-On company owns a lot of other tool companies that supply "custom" stuff to Snap-On, but sell very similar stuff directly and at lower prices. Snap-On owns Williams, an "industrial"** brand which has a Taiwan line and a USA line, and the USA stuff is very good at less than Snap-On pricing.

Mac Tools is often supplied by Proto, another "industrial" brand--both companies are owned by Stanley Black 'n' Decker.

Matco Tools buys-in almost their entire line. They "make" some tool boxes, and source everything else from a variety of suppliers.

Cornwell Tools also buys-in almost their entire line. They do make some stuff, on the expensive end of the range. They own a tool-box manufacturer, having bought-out Kennedy. The bulk of Cornwell sales is product sourced from outside suppliers.

Wright is an "industrial" tool company, family-owned and mostly USA-made. They don't sell from "the Truck", and they're not bargain-basement priced, but not as high as Snappy or Mac or the other Truck brands. Their wrenches are exceptional, (if not as long as I'd prefer) and everything else is "only" really good. Their focus is NOT on auto repair, so they have little or nothing for specialty tools for automobile work. But wrenches, screwdrivers, sockets, ratchets...all the "universal" stuff is top-notch.

SK used to be a fantastic, USA tool company. The company goes back about a hundred years. They got sold to the Communist Chinese a couple of years ago, and went straight to hell. USED SK is great. New SK is a total crapshoot--some OK, some direct from China.

You will need a scan tool. There's a multitude of devices, including laptop-computer-plus-software-and-adapter cord, to "dongles" and smart-phones, to cheap-junk "consumer grade" tools, to genuine pro-level standalone scan tools. Too much to cover here, and I have zero experience with anything but a couple of Snap-On Pro-level tools.

Doesn't matter how much you've invested in tools. You WILL run into situations where you need something "special". Sometimes you have to buy what you need, sometimes you have to fabricate what you need. Don't overlook the "loaner tool" program at various automotive parts stores. All sorts of specialty equipment can be "bought" and then returned for a full refund.

* "Companion" brands are lower-cost alternatives sold by some of the Truck brands. Snap-On has the companion brand Blue-Point. Mac has their less-expensive "Advantage" line. Matco sells "Silver Eagle". The companion brands tend to be imported, lower- but still decent-quality, and generally equivalent to what you can get at NAPA in the Carlyle line, or through other generally-imported Taiwanese or Japanese brand names. One of the earliest "Companion" brands was an alternative to Sears Craftsman--the Sears Companion brand name.

** "Industrial" brands are companies that sell a range of tools to non-automotive end users--from mining and oil, to hotel maintenance. They don't have automotive specialty tools, but they would have wonderful wrenches, ratchets, sockets, screwdrivers, pliers, pry-bars, and so forth; and perhaps into truly-huge size ranges that would make your eyes pop. Because they're not sold off the "truck", the prices are high but not crazy-high like the Trucks. Several of the "truck" brands also have an associated "Industrial" brand with more-rational pricing.

Tool companies get bought and sold, discontinued, bankrupt, offshored. This graphic is out of date--lotsa changes since this was put together. I'm not posting it because it's accurate, I'm posting it to show that one company owns multiple other companies, some of the names you'll recognize and some you won't.

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From what I have researched so far from your post, it seems like I need to focus on high quality ratchets and torque ratchets, a Multimeter, Jacks/stands, and then move towards sockets, as well as impact drill specific sockets so I can get the expensive stuff out of the way first to reduce my initial shock cost mid-repairs.

I did a shallow dive into the rebranded/unbranded tools made by the preferred brands (at a much lower cost) and If buying sets I think that's the route I will take, unless my work schedule allows me to meet some1 from Facebook or I find a steal on ebay for the solid USA made tool brands (both people I was to meet from Facebook already sold their tools, so with my work It'll be rare for me to be the first on site to buy the deals).

What do yall think about the rebrands and even unbranded tools from the same manufacturing facilities as the top tier tool makers? Also, one post spoke on their harbor freight tools, which have a solid warranty, but do seem to break. I know with electronics I can buy an unbranded speaker for $15 that bose sells for $400, so I HOPE the same is true with unbranded tools. I haven't found an off brand multimeter as good as a fluke, or the specialty meters I have used in power distribution, but hopefully they exist.


Last question of the morning for me is regarding the penetrating oil for the rusty stuck bolts. Can anyone vouch for liquid wrench? It seems like the best bang for the price.

Again thanks for all the information folks, and that picture of tool brands and their rebrands will make my search much easier! Once I start purchasing I will try to condense the tools and costs for any other newbie that winds up here, as well as what I find I use the most.

As a side note: Although i didn't take pictures, last night I checked the air filter on this truck... Solid black, with a thorough coating of leaf litter! Not gray, BLACK! I replaced it with a new air filter after sucking the rust from the metal covering and leaf pieces that fell into the housing last night. Ive never in my life seen an air filter in such bad shape, i regret not snapping a picture before i tossed it in the trash.
 

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Liquid Wrench is good. I've used it, I usually use PB Blaster cause I can get it cheaper at Walmart. Back in the day, we used CRC 5-56, but it hasn't been available for a long time. PB Blaster is close to that though. They have one now with a built-in straw, that's what I got the last time. Worth the extra money.
 
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