Bagged and bodied 99 c3500 build

[ROYALTYFORGE]

Good to know. I have 19's and do not plan on going bigger. Everyone I know who has used 22/24 wheels with adapters has swapped back. They look cool, but everything else about running them sucks evidently.

What are you currently running for control arms?

 

[someotherguy]

I merely wish someone made truck rated tires in 265/35/22 Which is the stock tire OD… that’s the only issue I’ve had.

That's always been my concern when I see people running milled 22's and towing heavy loads. As far as I can tell, the best you can do are some XL tires with a load rating around 1874 lbs (Toyo Proxes ST3), whereas the LT tires in a 16 can get you a load rating of 2680 easily (BFG Commercial T/A for example.) That's a HUGE difference.

Richard

 

[618 Syndicate]

What are you currently running for control arms?

Modified stock. Every winter I say I'm gonna buy some aftermarket arms and every winter I find something else to spend my mod money on. I may have a problem...

 

[618 Syndicate]

Talk to Lowboy about the offset. I want narrower width so I can have a lower ride height, and if what @Onizukachan is saying is true, it will be an issue for any direct bolt on wheels.
Fwiw I don't *think* it's gonna be a big enough difference to matter, but it'd be nice to know.

 

[Onizukachan]

That's always been my concern when I see people running milled 22's and towing heavy loads. As far as I can tell, the best you can do are some XL tires with a load rating around 1874 lbs (Toyo Proxes ST3), whereas the LT tires in a 16 can get you a load rating of 2680 easily (BFG Commercial T/A for example.) That's a HUGE difference.

Richard

Yeah, i agree. I was reading some of your posts on street scene from back in the day re same topic and looking at your old green with the Frito-Lay wheels Just yesterday!

 

[someotherguy]

Yeah, i agree. I was reading some of your posts on street scene from back in the day re same topic and looking at your old green with the Frito-Lay wheels Just yesterday!

Oh man that truck was a giant pile, but it was definitely a good investment considering how cheap it was. Not the truck's fault; it just had a really hard life and did its best to not just literally fall apart in response.

So Street Scene, IIRC that's what Duallyscene turned into? It's still around?

Richard

 

[Onizukachan]

Richard: sorry, it’s streetsource… i don’t know if it still exists as an active location but you can still read posts and view pics on it But I have to use google to search it.


Ok, to clarify I do have dropped spindles, so that pushes the rim vertically up closer to LCA… so take this with a grain of salt, but I’m pretty good at visualizing things.
so rear of 22” Alcoa rim at full lock to front of stock control lower control arm is 1.5” clearance horizontally, rear of LCA to rim has much more room. Probably closer to 3”.

if we assume that the extended arms are only making up about 3” of the offset lost by removal of the 1ton rotors “spacer” when changing to 3/4 ton Rotors. that would put my 22s, if I tried to run 3/4 rotors with out extended arms, 1-2 inches inside the plane of the LCA at full lock, making it turn more like Exxon Valdez than the Sh***y Kitty.

however, I’m also pretty sure from careful analysis of pics of trucks with them and how the wheel is better centered in the wheel well, that they are not simply extended out, but also relocate the ball joints and thus wheel farther forward about an inch, which would mean they must be narrower in that area, but not as much as I was originally thinking.

however that still doesn’t help much when you move the lip of the wheel farther in towards the truck center and CA by 3” (assuming my guess is correct) but don’t move the barrel out away from the CA by 3” with a 22 vs a 16. (6” total ergo 3” farther away from center)…

if my guess is right amd they only tuck them 1.5 that would make a difference, but I’m not sure it would be enough to allow a 16 as it’s more moving the pivot point this making the wheel a lesser offset (more backspacing) that would seem to be the true issue.


I might be totally off base here and maybe you can run a 16 with lowboys, but if so I’m guessing they are narrower CA, not extended CA, ie, you stay 1 ton rotor.

from what I’m looking at (having these massive windows in my alcoas does help vs the small circles faces) amd what I extrapolate from it, I’m pretty sure mmw is right in didcating that you have to have 22s to run extended arms with 3/4 brakes, and since geometry shouldn’t be massively different, that would apply to lowboy as well.

though I bet with the tubulars you could probably get away with 19s and maybe not Lose a lot of steering angle at full lock. By comparison.

I’ll try to get some pics in a bit, but hard to do with a phone in one hand and a yardstick in the other, lol.

 

[Onizukachan]

Front LCA to 22 Alcoa full lock

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fromt LCA to 22” Alcoa with yardstick, there is parallax to account for so I read it as 2” roughly

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rear LCA to 22” Alcoa, full lock I’m reading it as about 3-3.5”

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1 ton rotor to 22 Alcoa mounting face, sorry is out of focus.

im going to call it 6” to back of adapter 6.75 to back of wheel face.

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[ROYALTYFORGE]

Richard: sorry, it’s streetsource… i don’t know if it still exists as an active location but you can still read posts and view pics on it But I have to use google to search it.


Ok, to clarify I do have dropped spindles, so that pushes the rim vertically up closer to LCA… so take this with a grain of salt, but I’m pretty good at visualizing things.
so rear of 22” Alcoa rim at full lock to front of stock control lower control arm is 1.5” clearance horizontally, rear of LCA to rim has much more room. Probably closer to 3”.

if we assume that the extended arms are only making up about 3” of the offset lost by removal of the 1ton rotors “spacer” when changing to 3/4 ton Rotors. that would put my 22s, if I tried to run 3/4 rotors with out extended arms, 1-2 inches inside the plane of the LCA at full lock, making it turn more like Exxon Valdez than the Sh***y Kitty.

however, I’m also pretty sure from careful analysis of pics of trucks with them and how the wheel is better centered in the wheel well, that they are not simply extended out, but also relocate the ball joints and thus wheel farther forward about an inch, which would mean they must be narrower in that area, but not as much as I was originally thinking.

however that still doesn’t help much when you move the lip of the wheel farther in towards the truck center and CA by 3” (assuming my guess is correct) but don’t move the barrel out away from the CA by 3” with a 22 vs a 16. (6” total ergo 3” farther away from center)…

if my guess is right amd they only tuck them 1.5 that would make a difference, but I’m not sure it would be enough to allow a 16 as it’s more moving the pivot point this making the wheel a lesser offset (more backspacing) that would seem to be the true issue.


I might be totally off base here and maybe you can run a 16 with lowboys, but if so I’m guessing they are narrower CA, not extended CA, ie, you stay 1 ton rotor.

from what I’m looking at (having these massive windows in my alcoas does help vs the small circles faces) amd what I extrapolate from it, I’m pretty sure mmw is right in didcating that you have to have 22s to run extended arms with 3/4 brakes, and since geometry shouldn’t be massively different, that would apply to lowboy as well.

though I bet with the tubulars you could probably get away with 19s and maybe not Lose a lot of steering angle at full lock. By comparison.

I’ll try to get some pics in a bit, but hard to do with a phone in one hand and a yardstick in the other, lol.

To confirm what you are saying here, after talking more with lowboy he did say that 16 will not work with the ¾ conversion arms that he is selling. He recommends at least a 22.

I also reached out to nfamous and they make tubular arms that are a version of modified stock arms still using the 1 ton hub but aiding in camber issues and centering the wheel.

 

[618 Syndicate]

This is all good conversation and knowledge. Thanks fellas!