justin93
OBS Enthusiast
Hey everybody i've been having the worst luck, my steering locked up entirely and the power steering pump failed about 3 months ago, i then replaced the power steering pump and presto - working just as normal again.
NOW - 3 months forward now i JUST had my truck painted at an AUTO BODY PAINT SHOP and it was there for 8 days 9 days because i had to have it towed: Here's the situation
Dropped it off to get painted working mechanically superb and i had just fixed the steering issue 2 months ago which the problem was i couldn't turn it without it giving extreme resistance.
So, They are a BODY SHOP and after he finished the paint, i spoke to him over the phone he said its all done ready to go - He disclosed that he replaced the RAG JOINT on my already aftermarket BORGESON STEERING SHAFT ( this is the u-joint to rag joint model) let me repeat as he did himself, he told me 'WE REPLACED YOUR RAG JOINT AS IT LOOK LIKE IT WAS WEARING OUT, WE JUST HAPPENED TO HAVE ONE IN THE SHOP'
Then after continuing the conversation as i was LIVID that i just payed you for a service that only required the exterior to be touch nor do you have a business liscense to make repairs or mechanically work ( this i didn't tell him ) I continued the conversation and ended up driving down to the shop.
He then told me after i soon found out that my steering wheel wasn't even budging, "Im not responsible for your vehicle, If your vehicle breaks down its still your vehicle. I am not a mechanic nor do i have any employees that are mechanics there is nothing i can do for you"
Of course the paint looked better than it did before, however i COULDNT MOVE MY STEERING WHEEL
I was FURIOUS and questioned why he even replaced my rag joint and more importantly without my consent, without my knowing, without a form of contract stating that he was going to touch/make 'repairs' to my vehicle. He NEVER called me to tell me that i needed to replace my rag joint and never spoke to me of ANY issue with the steering as it came in PRISTINE mechanical operating condition..He then told me over the phone ' Well maybe i shouldn't of gone out of my way to try to help you and replace your rag joint that was torn up' BULL !!!!
IF HE DECIDED TO NOT TAKE THE EXTRAFUC**** CURRICULAR ACTIVITY PRACTICE ON MY DAMN TRUCK THIS WOULDN'T OF HAPPENED!
I had my truck towed the next day to my house and i replaced the power steering pump (again as i had a lifetime warranty) and i start the truck on hoping that would fix the VERY similar problem i had prior to taking it in.. however it was turning but it would feel as if the pump would allow my wheel to move a 1/4 of the way then it would have a INCREDIBLE AMOUNT OF RESISTANCE and makes very uneasing noises.
I was unable to inspect what was making the noise as it was already late and dark out when i finished replacing the power steering.
So i did the next step and contacted borgeson universal telling them i have a defected shaft as i was still in the 1 year warranty range..
I just placed the order today to return for a DOUBLE U JOINT STYLE STEERING SHAFT..
I spoke to Gill with Borgeson Universal and he disclosed that the rag joint is more of an older style common in pre-2000 cars but most factory produced new cars use a U joint to U joint so i opted to exchange my 1 u joint to 1 rag joint for the double U joint steering shaft.. Same price - BUT are these better Steering shafts? more importantly is this even a good idea? or is the rag joint a fine steering shaft and im just experienced issues? if anyone can chime in and help me out on what they've experienced or say that would be give me a better perspective!
I am doing this in hopes that it will cure my issue as i have all brand new MOOG front suspension from the lower ball joints to the idler arm connected to the gear box and doubt thats the issue.. haven't looked at my steering gear box but i've heard the more you adjust it the more it puts a stress on it requiring a diminished longetivity
I am about to
If anyone else has had any similar problems with there borgeson steering shaft or just in general for that matter i would love to hear your experience and any suggestions/advice
Before i take my truck back to the shop i want to know exactly what was wrong, get an invoice of how much it will cost installed then the part itself and take him to small claims court as this is /
I don't know where to look at and how to diagnose what i should do next.. Any information would be widely appreciated im kind of in a rut so your replies will put me at more ease, hope to hear from you folks soon Thanks
NOW - 3 months forward now i JUST had my truck painted at an AUTO BODY PAINT SHOP and it was there for 8 days 9 days because i had to have it towed: Here's the situation
Dropped it off to get painted working mechanically superb and i had just fixed the steering issue 2 months ago which the problem was i couldn't turn it without it giving extreme resistance.
So, They are a BODY SHOP and after he finished the paint, i spoke to him over the phone he said its all done ready to go - He disclosed that he replaced the RAG JOINT on my already aftermarket BORGESON STEERING SHAFT ( this is the u-joint to rag joint model) let me repeat as he did himself, he told me 'WE REPLACED YOUR RAG JOINT AS IT LOOK LIKE IT WAS WEARING OUT, WE JUST HAPPENED TO HAVE ONE IN THE SHOP'
Then after continuing the conversation as i was LIVID that i just payed you for a service that only required the exterior to be touch nor do you have a business liscense to make repairs or mechanically work ( this i didn't tell him ) I continued the conversation and ended up driving down to the shop.
He then told me after i soon found out that my steering wheel wasn't even budging, "Im not responsible for your vehicle, If your vehicle breaks down its still your vehicle. I am not a mechanic nor do i have any employees that are mechanics there is nothing i can do for you"
Of course the paint looked better than it did before, however i COULDNT MOVE MY STEERING WHEEL
I was FURIOUS and questioned why he even replaced my rag joint and more importantly without my consent, without my knowing, without a form of contract stating that he was going to touch/make 'repairs' to my vehicle. He NEVER called me to tell me that i needed to replace my rag joint and never spoke to me of ANY issue with the steering as it came in PRISTINE mechanical operating condition..He then told me over the phone ' Well maybe i shouldn't of gone out of my way to try to help you and replace your rag joint that was torn up' BULL !!!!
IF HE DECIDED TO NOT TAKE THE EXTRAFUC**** CURRICULAR ACTIVITY PRACTICE ON MY DAMN TRUCK THIS WOULDN'T OF HAPPENED!
I had my truck towed the next day to my house and i replaced the power steering pump (again as i had a lifetime warranty) and i start the truck on hoping that would fix the VERY similar problem i had prior to taking it in.. however it was turning but it would feel as if the pump would allow my wheel to move a 1/4 of the way then it would have a INCREDIBLE AMOUNT OF RESISTANCE and makes very uneasing noises.
I was unable to inspect what was making the noise as it was already late and dark out when i finished replacing the power steering.
So i did the next step and contacted borgeson universal telling them i have a defected shaft as i was still in the 1 year warranty range..
I just placed the order today to return for a DOUBLE U JOINT STYLE STEERING SHAFT..
I spoke to Gill with Borgeson Universal and he disclosed that the rag joint is more of an older style common in pre-2000 cars but most factory produced new cars use a U joint to U joint so i opted to exchange my 1 u joint to 1 rag joint for the double U joint steering shaft.. Same price - BUT are these better Steering shafts? more importantly is this even a good idea? or is the rag joint a fine steering shaft and im just experienced issues? if anyone can chime in and help me out on what they've experienced or say that would be give me a better perspective!
I am doing this in hopes that it will cure my issue as i have all brand new MOOG front suspension from the lower ball joints to the idler arm connected to the gear box and doubt thats the issue.. haven't looked at my steering gear box but i've heard the more you adjust it the more it puts a stress on it requiring a diminished longetivity
I am about to
If anyone else has had any similar problems with there borgeson steering shaft or just in general for that matter i would love to hear your experience and any suggestions/advice
Before i take my truck back to the shop i want to know exactly what was wrong, get an invoice of how much it will cost installed then the part itself and take him to small claims court as this is /
I don't know where to look at and how to diagnose what i should do next.. Any information would be widely appreciated im kind of in a rut so your replies will put me at more ease, hope to hear from you folks soon Thanks