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I hope I am in the correct place for this thread.
98 GMC Sierra 5.7 with automatic converted to 4 speed transmission. Truck ran great for 2 weeks after the tranny conversion. Developed a short in wireing. 2 different mechanics put new ignition switch in thinking that was problem. The put original back when they discovered that was no the problem. We eventually found the sort and corrected it.
Engine will start, run a second or two and stall. When I turn ignition on, Security light comes on and stays on no matter how long the key is on. Steady on, no flash.
Fuel pump comes on like it should, correct fuel pressure. It is like something is turning the power off. (Like the security?
New crank sensor, new tbi sensor, new oil pressure sensor.
Any and all suggestions are appreciated.
 

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I thought that was the signature of the anti-theft (security) system--engine runs for two seconds then dies.


Exactly right. My '00 Denali trips the security from time to time.

O.P. Security system relearn procedure:
Ignition key on for 10 mins (set a stopwatch)
Key off for 30 seconds.
Key on, if the Security light goes off, start and drive. If not, another 10 + 30 seconds.
The most I've had to do is 3 consecutive 10 min cycles
 

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Alternatively, get in touch with someone who has HPTuners and disable the Passlock system entirely in the PCM tune. Black Bear Performance and a few other companies can do this by mail.
 

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I hope I am in the correct place for this thread.
98 GMC Sierra 5.7 with automatic converted to 4 speed transmission. Truck ran great for 2 weeks after the tranny conversion. Developed a short in wireing. 2 different mechanics put new ignition switch in thinking that was problem. The put original back when they discovered that was no the problem. We eventually found the sort and corrected it.
Engine will start, run a second or two and stall. When I turn ignition on, Security light comes on and stays on no matter how long the key is on. Steady on, no flash.
Fuel pump comes on like it should, correct fuel pressure. It is like something is turning the power off. (Like the security?
New crank sensor, new tbi sensor, new oil pressure sensor.
Any and all suggestions are appreciated.

What kind of tranmission was it converted to? The 98 tranmission IS a 4 speed?!

'98 with TBI? Confused...

And this showed up after that, right?
 

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What kind of tranmission was it converted to? The 98 tranmission IS a 4 speed?!

'98 with TBI? Confused...

And this showed up after that, right?


No, O.P. says 2 weeks of driving before the issue began. Then wiring repair and multiple replacements of Ignition tumblers only to reinstall the OE tumblers.
So relearn the security first. No cost, just your time.

He did say TBI... L31 does have a throttle body, perhaps he merely lacks part name specificity?
 

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A friend of mine has a 4 door 99' Yukon and it started doing the same thing. I scanned it and came up with basically a short in the security system, I can't remember the code. I assumed it was probably the security module which can give out. He ordered a rebuilt one from a reputable seller and rebuider of these on ebay. Installed it, no difference, sent it back. He tried everything and eventually took it to a GM dealer and luckily got an older mechanic who had experience in these issues. Turned out to be a bad diode in the wiring of the system. Unfortunately I have no idea where in the dash this diode is located. He never asked the Tech where this diode is. Maybe this might help?!

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Agree it sounds like passlock. I went through this on the Burb, summer 2019. Did all the relearn procedures, some worked and some didn't. Finally got it to start and run, got it to a local speed shop that works on and tunes LS equipped vehicles. For a fee they electronically deleted the passlock function from the PCM. THAT fixed the problem!
The passlock module has circuit boards in it that come unsoldered. Then stuff doesn't work right.
I didn't want to hack my steering column up, so I didn't do the resistor add in. That's kind of a temporary fix from what I've been told anyway.
Edit: the removal and reinstall of the ignition switch may have contributed to the problem. All these computer components have to talk to each other a certain way for everything to work properly. If the signals are not accepted by any component, the PCM thinks the truck is being stolen. So it bricks it up.
 

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The pcm/ecm will disable the injectors if it isn't getting the "go" signal from the theft deterrent module.

Not sure a relearn is going to help, since the OP mentions the light staying on solid/no flashing.

Notice that in the relearn procedure below, there is no situation in which the security light never flashes at least momentarily (for the relearn to be working), see step #4 (responses).

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PASSLOCK REPROGRAMMING AUTO LEARN

IMPORTANT: If a new vehicle/powertrain control module (VCM/PCM) is being installed for the first the manufacturing enable bit will be set and the auto learn procedure may not be necessary.

The following procedure allows for anyone to reprogram the EVO/PASSLOCK module learned data code with any tools, other than the scan tool, when any of the following parts are replaced:

The EVO/PASSLOCK module
The PASSLOCK sensor
The VCM/PCM

The EVO/PASSLOCK module will set the DTC B3031 in the learn mode when entering the reprogramming procedure.

IMPORTANT: Erase the PASSLOCK related Diagnostic Trouble Codes (DTCs) that are stored in the VCM/PCM.

The following is the Auto Learn Procedure:

1. Insure the ignition key is in the ON position.
2. Clear all EVO/PASSLOCK module and VCM/PCM DTCs.
3. Momentarily rotate the ignition key to the CRANK position (Do NOT start the vehicle), then release it to the RUN position (Do NOT key OFF in the process).
4. Wait 10 minutes . Observe the SECURITY indicator. Refer to the following list for the appropriate responses:

-If the PASSLOCK sensor was replaced the SECURITY indicator will flash for the 10 minutes duration.
-If the EVO/PASSLOCK module was replaced, the SECURITY indicator will flash for a few seconds and then remain ON for the remainder of the 10 minutes duration.
-If the VCM/PCM was replaced with a new programmed VCM/PCM and connected to the vehicle for the first time, the vehicle will start and this procedure may not be necessary.
-If the replacement VCM/PCM was connected to any vehicle at any other time, even momentarily, the SECURITY indicator will flash for a few seconds and then remain ON for the 10 minutes duration.

5. The SECURITY indicator will transition from flashing to ON briefly to OFF after 10 minutes if remaining in the ignition ON position.
6. Turn the ignition switch to the OFF position and wait for 10 seconds .
7. Repeat steps 3-6 two more times. The new security code is ready to be communicated among the PASSLOCK sensor, EVO/PASSLOCK module and VCM/PCM. The new password is learned on the next ignition lock cylinder cycle from OFF to CRANK to ON (start attempt).

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A solid light might indicate a open circuit between the key (hall effect sensor) and the theft deterrent module, like the the theft deterrent module isn't flashing the light because it isn't seeing/reading the hall effect sensor.

Might want to start looking for open circuits (anomalies) near the spot you found your original short circuit/wiring problem ?

Guess it could be a few things though, bad theft deterrent module etc.

The best permanent thing to do is probably tune it out from the PCM/VCM, there may be a way to install a resistor to bypass the hall effect sensor but that would still require a working theft deterrent module.

Good luck.
 
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Thanks to gmt400 there are relevant manuals available for use/download, with lots of diagrams and step by step troubleshooting proceedures (a wealth of information).

From this link here https://www.gmt400.com/threads/88-95-service-manuals.43575/

Section 9D at the link below (book 1 of 4) is for "THEFT DETERRENT SYSTEM".

https://redirect.viglink.com/?forma...1998_GMT-98_CK-1_SERVICE_MANUAL-VOLUME_1_of_4

Also around page 6-2048 (book 3 of 4) you will find some more diagrams and troubleshooting info.

https://redirect.viglink.com/?forma...1998_GMT-98_CK-3_SERVICE_MANUAL-VOLUME_3_of_4

In case anyone is looking.
 
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