My 454 Rebuild

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As said--you need a deck-bridge. A mag-base and dial indicator doesn't have a repeatable "zero" between the deck and the piston. Piston rock is not a significant problem if you're measuring in-line with the piston pin.

Any automotive machine shop with reasonable equipment will deck the block square to the crankshaft saddles. In other words, the "machine" centers the block on the crank saddles, then the block is tipped 45 degrees either way, and the decks are milled. They end up "square" to the crank centerline, flat, smooth, and exactly 90 degrees apart. Thus the usual name for this process--"Square-decking" the block. The machine shop will generally take the minimum cut needed to clean-up the surfaces. The smart person tells the shop to "Zero-deck" or nearly-zero-deck the block; enough material is removed to get the piston tops level with the top of the block, so that the typical and inexpensive .040 gasket leaves a perfect quench distance.

If your deck clearance varies, it "shouldn't" be variations of deck height IF the machine shop centers the block on the main saddles. However, I had the engine block currently in my K1500 decked at a shop with prehistoric equipment. The block is crammed into the milling machine so that the existing deck is more-or-less horizontal, and then the machine cuts it. The set-up relies on the OEM machining which is almost always flawed to begin with, along with operator skill; and gets worse as the block is stress-relieved over two hundred thousand miles of heat- and vibration cycles. (i.e., the block warps in service.)

Next up is the center-to-center distance of the connecting rods. Aftermarket rods can be expected to have tight C-C tolerances; OEM rods not-so-much. And "resized" rods in most cases will have shorter C-C distance than stock because of the remachining done. A mix of "short" and "long" rods will cause the deck clearance to vary.

Another issue is the stroke of the crankshaft. OEM cranks rarely have "perfect" stroke length, and they're often not at perfect 90-degree intervals as they should be. So IF (big IF) the crank stroke is correct...it may be at the wrong angle in relation to the other crank throws. The 1--2, 3--4, 5--6, and 7--8 crank throws should be exactly 90 degrees away from each other. In practice, this could be 90--89--91--90 or some such. In this case, given a knowledgeable and CARING crank grinder operator, and equipment in reasonable condition, I'd trust a reground crank more than an OEM "standard" crank because minor problems with the original crank machining can be "ground out" during the undersizing process.

Lastly, there could be variations in piston compression height. Realistically, this is the last thing I'd check in your situation. Even pistons from India seem to be pretty uniform these days.

Since so many things affect piston-to-deck clearance; tolerance stack-up is a genuine issue. A guy can pisss-'n'-moan and spend hours selecting "short" rods to go with "tall" pistons, or long rods to fit the high parts of the deck. No, thanks.

My most-recent 5.7L has returned from my favorite machine shop having been square-decked. Instead of milling excess material from the decks to get to "zero deck", I had the standard/standard crank offset ground on the rod journals to gain .020 of throw (.040 of stroke, .020 "up" and .020 "down") Now the pistons go up far enough to be level with the block, instead of cutting the block to become level with the pistons. I gain a couple of cubic inches in the process, and I get to claim my engine is a "stroker". :)

Copper head gaskets are not suitable for long-term use. Fine on a "race" engine, not suitable for street-driven, "ordinary" rebuilds. I'm not familiar with this .022 head gasket--got a link? This isn't a steel-shim unit...right?

Without doing math, I say you gained 4ci.
 

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With the tri power Cams, desktop Dyno for what it's worth likes the biggest one, but it's not in stock anywhere I had looked. On back order. Other than that the ho cam looks good on dd. You should call jegs and talk to a tech. They can help you with valve springs, hardware and such, and are very helpful, they should even be able to recommend a cam. Last I checked the ho was in stock at both jegs and summit. Summit tech is supposed to be great also, but never delt with them personally.
 

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I have flooded myself with cam info and my head hurts thinking about them and im just tired of it.
I'm about to the point i will probably just use my stock cam and live with it.
Comp cams was not much help but im sure what i was told me would work but for $400 im not going to buy it.
There is too much conflicting info out there i find it impossible to make a decision.
 

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OK last cam im gonna look at.
The 454HO cam has been mentioned a few times so if that's acceptable i'll go with it and i will definitely get a base tune from black bear.
Only worry i have is will the 454HO valve spring retainers clear the comp cams roller rockers?
 

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I'm not going to be able to finish this engine the way i want before winter.
Still need New cam, Valve springs, Rotator eliminators, Valve retainers, Tools to cut the guides and spring seats, Possible new push rods, Tune, Possible new injectors.
The reason im rebuilding this engine is the one currently in my truck has almost no oil pressure when hot.
Dash gauge shows 6psi. Mechanical gauge shows 0 but it does not start reading till 10psi with 15w40 oil in it
For about $150 i can put new STD main/rod bearings in it. I figure about a day/day and a half. Don't know if it will help or not but it can't be worse right?
Other option is just put the new engine together with what i have and collect up the other parts over the winter and change them out next spring.
Guess im trying to decide and looking for opinions.
 

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If work done well, but just standard parts, then just install as is. But putting a fresh set of bearings just to get by for a while is likely to work ok. I changed bearings and valve seals on a 350 in my elco a year ago and it helped to keep going.
 

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most of my build parts list is here https://www.gmt400.com/threads/97-454-l29-build-plans.56339/page-4 other parts are in later notes. the "tech" guy at comp is worthless as noted above. the comp roller lifters turned out to be junk, just replaced them with GM roller lifters. I used the xr270hr cam, there are good options listed by others above. pay attention to dizzy height off oil pump drive shaft/manifold, use mellonized dizzy gear. the roller rocker arms are not going to buy you anything, stock rockers are fine for this.
 
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most of my build parts list is here https://www.gmt400.com/threads/97-454-l29-build-plans.56339/page-4 other parts are in later notes. the "tech" guy at comp is worthless as noted above. the comp roller lifters turned out to be junk, just replaced them with GM roller lifters. I used the xr270hr cam, there are good options listed by others above. pay attention to dizzy height off oil pump drive shaft/manifold, use mellonized dizzy gear. the roller rocker arms are not going to buy you anything, stock rockers are fine for this.
Roller rockers make a nice friction reduction everywhere. I have had them on numerous small blocks and have a set on my 8.1L. The nice part about the roller rockers on the 8.1L is it made the valvetrain adjustable. Non adjustable valvetrain is garbage IMO. Hydraulic lifters need accurately adjusted preload. Too much preload aka factory length pushrods, costs you alot of torque.
 

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Still need...Tools to cut the guides and spring seats,
Why would you cut the spring seats? Why cut the guides?

The reason im rebuilding this engine is the one currently in my truck has almost no oil pressure when hot...

...For about $150 i can put new STD main/rod bearings in it. I figure about a day/day and a half. Don't know if it will help or not but it can't be worse right?
New crank bearings, perhaps a high-volume oil pump.

For all we know, the whole problem might be a stuck-open pressure relief valve in the pump. Maybe you don't need bearings--maybe all you need is to fix or replace the oil pump. Unlikely...but worth inspecting when the pan is off.
 
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