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For now the sound system will be an old Bose Sound Dock with an iPod. If that doesn’t suffice, I’ll consider upgrading.

- I don’t yet have computer monitor; my 12.9” iPad will suffice in the meantime.

That’s it. Again, feel free to suggest additions.
I built my shop with woodworking in mind so, I needed room for the stationary tools arranged so my dust collector could be plumbed in to all. I've rearranged them 3 times since (the table saws are a *****). I had to have multiple work surfaces for router work, glueing, assembly and finishing so I made a few tables.

Here's one I made out of a solid core door I had. The slots in it are for the panel jig and miter gauges.
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This one is made out of a cool room door (from our old shop), witha 1/4" Masonite sheet screwed in so I can replace it down the road if it gets ruined). On the right of it you can see my Workmate collapsible table I use mostly for my compound miter saw.
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Here's a "portable" table using 2 aluminum Werner "saw horses" *I got them free when I worked there) and a piece of plywood with a strong back to keep it from sagging.
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here's my entertainment center. I started with a little flat screen until our Samsung curved TV developed a shadow in the middle of the screen. Luckily I had an extended warranty (always on electronics). They replaced the TV and said I could keep this one. Guess what? With it hanging on a wall mount, I can swivel it so I can watch from anywhere in the shop. I had a 7.1 Surround system so, I used it. My wireless DirectTV system reaches out to the shop (if I open at least 1 door), and I put in a cheap WiFi range extension so I get internet in the shop too.

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Hopefully these examples will help with your decision making. I can't wait to see yours with the lighting and work stations completed.
 

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My trusty 3 ½ gallon portable compressor generates a little over 4 CFM at 90psi, and works great for powering nail guns, blowing dust out of things, and inflating tires. I recently discovered that it’s supposedly large enough to drive a ½” drive impact wrench. I’ll use it as my garage compressor for now. The larger stationary compressor is off the list.
That 3.5gal compressor might give you a few ugga duggas out of a 1/2 impact, but it's not going to run one consistently for any given amount of time. Keep an eye on marketplace and craigslist. You can pick up a 60gal unit for less than $300 used. Change the oil in the compressor and send it!
That and it’s gonna run continuously. You’ll just get aggravated and have to use hand tools anyway.

I too have re-arranged multiple shops multiple times so what I do for lighting is have good overhead lights that are “permanent” and on a switch. Then task lighting can easily be added at workbenches, toolboxes etc…

I hate having light sources in the middle of bays, (as the only source) they just cast shadows no matter what you’re working on. The highbay or UFO lights are very bright but the 4’ and 8’ fixtures give a better dispersion of light in my experience. Consider a minimum of 2 fixtures at each end of the shop and 2 between each bay.

I have a roll around work cart, I added an articulated desk lamp to it with an led flood light and it’s one of my favorite things in the shop. It can point around corners into a cab, hang over fenders in an engine bay, can be used as up lighting under a lift and you don’t have to worry about finding a place to clamp it. Also have a power strip mounted to the top of the cart giving me a place for soldering irons, heat guns, phone charges etc, with only one extension cord drug out.
 

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I have rearranged my space 2-3 times as I've added tool boxes, lift, etc. And I've got an idea for 1 more move, that will actually put some stuff back to the beginning and will be adding another tool chest/work surface.

As you learn your space and how you use it more often, that will dictate your setup. When I was fully focused on building hot rods/cars, I wanted an open bay next to where all the tool boxes were to blow a vehicle apart and make it awesome. Now that I'm more focused on maintenance and repairs, the near open bay now houses the lift.

That 3.5gal compressor might give you a few ugga duggas out of a 1/2 impact, but it's not going to run one consistently for any given amount of time. Keep an eye on marketplace and craigslist. You can pick up a 60gal unit for less than $300 used. Change the oil in the compressor and send it!

Having a computer, good music system, and wifi in my shop was a game changer.
Thanks. I fully expect to rearrange the furniture, so to speak, multiple times. I like to do that in my house from time to time.

I was wondering how well that compressor would work for air tools. It does sound marginal.

But I don’t own any air tools outside of nail guns, and am not sure quite yet about investing in some. Apparently cordless tools have improved quite a bit since I last used air tools. Then again, they are more expensive than air tools. So we’ll see.
 

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Thanks. I fully expect to rearrange the furniture, so to speak, multiple times. I like to do that in my house from time to time.

I was wondering how well that compressor would work for air tools. It does sound marginal.

But I don’t own any air tools outside of nail guns, and am not sure quite yet about investing in some. Apparently cordless tools have improved quite a bit since I last used air tools. Then again, they are more expensive than air tools. So we’ll see.

I use my battery powered stuff much more these days, the 1/2" Milwaukee impact will destroy my Earthquake pneumatic unit. I plan to keep adding to the stash I have and even have looked at picking up some the 12v stuff Milwaukee offers over the 18v stuff that I have. There are certain things like die grinders and air saws that have their place however staying pneumatic. I also like to paint and have a plasma cutter that requires a fair amount of air. In my opinion, I don't think you need a 3-phase electric 2 stage compressor, but a nice 60gal unit will do everything you need it to and be future proof.

Tools are a buy once cry once thing for me, even if its a one time use deal just to make my life easier, it was worth the purchase. It's kind of like horsepower with a tractor, you'll never be mad you had more, but you darn sure will notice when you don't have enough!
 

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One thing to think about with the welder; the carts are relatively universal and inexpensive compared to the welder. So, if you have the dimensions for the cart accommodated, you can pick up the welder itself later on. I would wager you're probably looking for gas shielded MIG, that's the easiest process to achieve competence with when you're starting out IMO. Miller, Lincoln Electric, and ESAB are well respected brands in general and they tend to command some higher prices but I think the quality is worth it.
 

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I built my shop with woodworking in mind so, I needed room for the stationary tools arranged so my dust collector could be plumbed in to all. I've rearranged them 3 times since (the table saws are a *****). I had to have multiple work surfaces for router work, glueing, assembly and finishing so I made a few tables.

Here's one I made out of a solid core door I had. The slots in it are for the panel jig and miter gauges.
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This one is made out of a cool room door (from our old shop), witha 1/4" Masonite sheet screwed in so I can replace it down the road if it gets ruined). On the right of it you can see my Workmate collapsible table I use mostly for my compound miter saw.
You must be registered for see images attach


Here's a "portable" table using 2 aluminum Werner "saw horses" *I got them free when I worked there) and a piece of plywood with a strong back to keep it from sagging.
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here's my entertainment center. I started with a little flat screen until our Samsung curved TV developed a shadow in the middle of the screen. Luckily I had an extended warranty (always on electronics). They replaced the TV and said I could keep this one. Guess what? With it hanging on a wall mount, I can swivel it so I can watch from anywhere in the shop. I had a 7.1 Surround system so, I used it. My wireless DirectTV system reaches out to the shop (if I open at least 1 door), and I put in a cheap WiFi range extension so I get internet in the shop too.

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Hopefully these examples will help with your decision making. I can't wait to see yours with the lighting and work stations completed.
That is an awesome shop you have there!! I’m envious!!

I’d love to have a woodworking shop like that, but I’ll have to make do with a much smaller space, in a barn. That said, you‘ve definitely given me some ideas for it.

Since you and @OutlawDrifter mentioned internet access, I’ll add it to the list. I have to test out the starlink system to see if it will reach. If not, I have a spool of Cat 5 that I might use.

A larger screen would be nice. I’ll, but I don’t want to buy a computer just yet, and I don’t own a laptop. Maybe when I upgrade my Mac mini I’ll move it to the garage.

Thanks for the ideas and encouragement!
 

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I use my battery powered stuff much more these days, the 1/2" Milwaukee impact will destroy my Earthquake pneumatic unit. I plan to keep adding to the stash I have and even have looked at picking up some the 12v stuff Milwaukee offers over the 18v stuff that I have. There are certain things like die grinders and air saws that have their place however staying pneumatic. I also like to paint and have a plasma cutter that requires a fair amount of air. In my opinion, I don't think you need a 3-phase electric 2 stage compressor, but a nice 60gal unit will do everything you need it to and be future proof.
Tools are a buy once cry once thing for me, even if its a one time use deal just to make my life easier, it was worth the purchase. It's kind of like horsepower with a tractor, you'll never be mad you had more, but you darn sure will notice when you don't have enough!
Once I actually start using the garage I’ll decide which way to go. I won’t be painting or doing body work, but if I find a deal on a used compressor, I’ll probably jump on it.

As far as tools go, I feel the same way. I prefer to buy quality tools, which of course tend to be expensive. But I have found that not only is a quality tool less likely to break, it’s almost always more pleasant to use. A good tool just feels good in the hand. I have a few Snap On hand tools, and wish I’d bought more, back in the day, when I was working and they seemed less expensive than they do now. At least that’s how I remember it.
 

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There are three reasons I’m writing this: 1) to make sure that I get this garage project right; 2) to invite additional thoughts and comments that could add value to the project; and 3) to share my experience with anyone who is considering spending the time and money to build and furnish a garage, but who may not know how to get started...

...However, without a plan, sorting out the details as you go can lead to forgetting things, or actually getting lost in those details, and thereby losing sight of equally important details and/or the overall purpose of the project.

It’s human nature. It’s certainly my nature.

It's OK to be brutally honest with yourself, but like others have shared don't be too hard
on yourself. Using myself as an example, here's some perspective on all this.

1) First off, after several iterations of 20/20 hindsight over the years, I've come to the realization
that once Road Trip starts a project, this photo says it all:

'Press on Regardless'
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(credit: Found long ago, Unknown)

Let's just say that the desire to push a project over the finish line often places me mentally in a situation
where I get the tunnel vision, and I no longer take full advantage of what I've learned
(the hardest possible way) over the years. :0)

You know, where the desire to 'get it done' starts to outweigh rational thought about 'getting it right'.
I think it says a lot that you are stopping and re-evaluating before instead of after. I'd call this Large Project
Maturity, and by your actions you're obviously ahead of me in this area. (!)

Years ago I actually had a mentor share with me a phrase that puts all this into proper perspective:

"Quality is the Constant, and Time is the Variable."

When I was younger, there was no time for philosophical nonsense like that. But now that I'm working on
stuff that will (hopefully) remind others of what I was like before I checked out, I find that phrase puts
everything into the proper perspective for yours truly. I actually wash everything against this statement
to make sure that my project eyes aren't larger than my project stomach.

To the point where if I can't use that mindset on what I'm currently working on (normally due to lack of
planning turning into serious time constraints by others) ...then I'm working on the wrong stuff. And these
days I'll hear myself saying, "This is not a good use of my time", followed by actually disentangling
myself from that project. (Even better when I decline an invitation at the outset to work on something
when I *know* that the owner of the project lives the "Time is the Constant, and Quality is the Variable"
philosophy.

So much less frustration in life since adopting Step #1 fully.

2)
Even a good plan, executed once, often leaves opportunities discovered after the fact. There is a saying akin to you need to build a house three times to get it right - same goes for garages. You need to build one, live in it, and take note of all the things you would have done differently.

Or, listen to folks who gained that experience the hard way and you won't have to repeat it.

I absolutely agree with this. Especially when tackling something outside my comfort zone, I used to
beat myself up when I didn't get something 100% right on the first try. Using math and a more reasonable
90% improvement for each pass at a project, you end up with:

1st pass: 90% of the goal
2nd pass: 90% improvement (10% remaining x 90% = 9% gain = 99% of goal)
3rd pass: 90% improvement (1% remaining x 90% = 0.9% gain = 99.9% of goal)

Math majors refer to this as an asymptote function. (Definition) I refer to this as there's
always room for improvement...but that's OK, and this math function absolves me of
having to feel bad when a signature piece is never quite done. :0)

3) What do I focus on before starting a project?

Using the hobby of engine building as an example, once I had fixed enough of my
own stuff to have enough confidence to help others with their engines, I successfully
put together a lot of powerplants that achieved the initial (oversimplified) goals we had
in mind, but at the same time none of us were very happy to actually live with the results?

The bottom line is that back then we were always chasing a single HP number. (A greedy,
unrealistic number at that. :0) Essentially when making that HP, the engine was great.
The rest of the time it was a ill-behaving diva that made driving a chore instead of a reward
in the real world.

Instead, when we changed our focus to building to a (more end goal specific) desired torque curve**
...this allowed us to build towards something to be enjoyed for how *we* were going to use it
in the real world -- instead of building to some HP number that only made us feel good while
bench racing.

We actually ended up Trying Easier, spending less money chasing the dream, etc, etc. In this
area, by your comments I think that you are actually in a good place with your garage build.

****

I could go on & on, but IMHO I would consider you still in the sweet spot of this project, especially
if you take the long term view. My AWD DD has developed an exhaust leak in the midpipe that may not
stay together until spring...and it's snowing, so of course I'm deferring maintenance until I get a
dry day to get under there and fix it in the driveway. So from my perspective you have some
fantabulous problems to solve. :)

Cheers --

**(especially when we included the transmission + rear end gearing & ending up with a better
idea of how much sheer overall push there was. Or how much improvement at a specific mph in
each of the usable gears at that speed. Or how much would it be better able to climb a specific
section of road featuring a significant grade that was driven regularly.)
 
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That and it’s gonna run continuously. You’ll just get aggravated and have to use hand tools anyway.

I’m guessing you’re right.
I too have re-arranged multiple shops multiple times so what I do for lighting is have good overhead lights that are “permanent” and on a switch. Then task lighting can easily be added at workbenches, toolboxes etc…
I was trying to figure out how best to mount the task lighting, since it needs to be closer to the workstation. Not necessarily an easy thing in a metal building. A wood building seems much easier to hang lights in; it’s simpler to build a wall attachment out of wood than it is out of metal. At least along the back wall, where I’m thinking most of the workstations will go, I have an idea of how to do it.
I hate having light sources in the middle of bays, (as the only source) they just cast shadows no matter what you’re working on. The highbay or UFO lights are very bright but the 4’ and 8’ fixtures give a better dispersion of light in my experience. Consider a minimum of 2 fixtures at each end of the shop and 2 between each bay.

I’m almost certainly going to use 4’ and maybe 8’ fixtures. The ceiling, 13’ 4” at the center, isn’t really high enough to use highbay fixtures, as I understand their application.

My understanding is that the minimum standard for garage lighting is 50 lumens/sf. I’d like to go beyond that, which means having a bunch of fixtures. Fortunately LED shop lights are not too expensive. Laying that out on metal trusses will take some head-scratching on my part.
I have a roll around work cart, I added an articulated desk lamp to it with an led flood light and it’s one of my favorite things in the shop. It can point around corners into a cab, hang over fenders in an engine bay, can be used as up lighting under a lift and you don’t have to worry about finding a place to clamp it. Also have a power strip mounted to the top of the cart giving me a place for soldering irons, heat guns, phone charges etc, with only one extension cord drug out.
That’s a really good idea. I was thinking a power strip mounted to the side of the rolling work table would be a handy thing. Mounting a light on it shouldn’t be tough to do.
 

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One thing to think about with the welder; the carts are relatively universal and inexpensive compared to the welder. So, if you have the dimensions for the cart accommodated, you can pick up the welder itself later on. I would wager you're probably looking for gas shielded MIG, that's the easiest process to achieve competence with when you're starting out IMO. Miller, Lincoln Electric, and ESAB are well respected brands in general and they tend to command some higher prices but I think the quality is worth it.
Good thought. I was in HF today buying the tether straps for my new 12’ stepladder (as recommended by @Erik the Awful) and browsed through their welders and carts. I’ll make a cardboard template for that, so I can work it into the floor plan.

When the time comes to actually buy one, I’ll look at the brands you’ve suggested.
 
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