educate me on solid axles

[outalne94z71]

info on ford superduty axles of the late 90's early 2000's? also on a mostly street vehicle whats better greaseable poly bushings or heims?

there was a guy years ago who used one of those axles on his 2wd crewcab, he used the whole ford suspension and made a pull truck out of it with a cummins

if you google ryan bambach you may still find photos on the web of that build, i tried to contact him a couple times to get more info on it but he never replies.
offroad only i'd use heims if it sees street at all i'd use bushings.

seems like a pretty pricy and pain in the rear option vs plain old leaf springs and 70's dana 60

 

[TylerZ281500]

bushings on a 4 link wouldnt cause any exess side movement would it? id love to not run a panhard, i cant explain how much id love not to run one i have no serious technical reason why, i just think they are ugly.

can a big ol beefy sway bar with some sort of disconnect, maybe like automatic jeep disconnects work?

sorry if im getting annoying guys, i just dont want to build something only to be fixing it in a short period of time.

ill google ryan bambach and see what pops up.

and info on the dodge axle was clear and straight forward, thank you now i can get those out of my head

 

[outalne94z71]

all 4 links need a track bar, doesnt matter if heim or bushing, they still would have lateral movement without it, leaf springs if not too much of a arch can mostly get away without one, like a 73-87 4" lift spring which is flat is fairly resistant with crossover to the body shift issue.

 

[TylerZ281500]

http://www.thedieselpageforums.com/tdpforum/showthread.php?t=23569&page=2
http://www.turbodieselregister.com/user_gallery/displayalbum.php?&userid=17606&albumid=18602
heres what i found on ryans builds unfortunately cant get the pics because they are private =(

anywho so no on a sway bar? am i under the impression a sway bar doesnt do the same thing as a car does?

 

[outalne94z71]

http://www.thedieselpageforums.com/tdpforum/showthread.php?t=23569&page=2
http://www.turbodieselregister.com/user_gallery/displayalbum.php?&userid=17606&albumid=18602
heres what i found on ryans builds unfortunately cant get the pics because they are private =(

anywho so no on a sway bar? am i under the impression a sway bar doesnt do the same thing as a car does?

a swaybar has flexible links it will not stop lateral movement

 

[92GMC]

d44 for mudding and dd with 37's will do fine? i was told otherwise ill take a gander at your thread and subscribe to it.

whats the difference between an old dodge d44 and ford one besides the higher pinion. i know the ford axles i can swap the chevy outers to maintain that bolt pattern but could i and would i want to do that to a dodge axle if they would work?

the one issue i have is that in michigan finding a good 70s d44 or d60 that isnt built up is almost impossible and secondly its almost impossible to find one thats stock for a semi decent price

if all you do is mud youll prolly be fine with 37s and a d44. if you do any kind of trail riding where youll get in a bind, youll break ****. ive broke d44 axles with 33s. but then again, everyone told me id break **** with a d28 and 33" swampers. knock on wood i havnt broke anything yet

 

[TylerZ281500]

boo so any sas needs a panhard it seems, guess thats unavoidable.

anyone know of a chart listing the widths of various axles and such? im wondering how much a newer ford sd axle is in width to out crappy ifs junk

 

[TylerZ281500]

okay guys, im an idiot i was confused for quite awhile and it wasnt your fault it was mine. i led you all in the wrong direction and then coffee at 2:44 made me question why i had to use a panhard if im using a triangulated 4 link. Key word that i have been leaving out is triangulated. i apologize

so this is a triangulated 4 link
http://autotech4x4.files.wordpress.com/2011/01/dbl-tri.jpg
and a regular old 4 link
http://image.jpmagazine.com/f/93085...our_link_lingo+four_link_with_panhard_bar.jpg

jeesh now i feel bad for getting you all to the verge of frustration with me.

 

[jps4jeep]

no need for a trac bar on a double or single triangulated 4 link. Track bars are needed on radius arms, three links, and parrallel 4 links.

The super duty axles are actually pretty strong. the shafts are larger than the previous D60's and I think in 2011 they went to 35 spline outers. I personally do not like unit bearings, you are kind of a slave to a $400 part and does not offer the servicability as a traditional spindle / hub assembally.

I have one club member that runs a 94+ dodge D60 but it has an extensive amount of work done to make it survive. he re-tubed the pass side tube, and runs ford TTB spindles and outers.

Ideally you will want a king pin 60 from a 78-79 F250/350 or from a 80's F350. I do not think they made 4wd F350's in 80 & 81 and then switched over to ball joints in the 90's. the advantage of the 78-79 is there is more drivers side tube to work with. Sky manufacturing makes a kit for both axles to be swapped into a gmt400, but are for leafs and not links.

 

[jps4jeep]

all solid D60 axles are in the 65 wsm-wsm wideth give or take an inch. 78-79 D60 perches are I think 32.5" apart, the other KP and BJ D60's used up until 97 were 36" apart. Not sure on super duty.