Cost to reupholster front bucket seats?

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Curt

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So for the past several months, I've been searching for a nice set of gray leather bucket seats for my suburban. I haven't been able to locate any seats in the condition I desired, so I'm planning on getting my seats reupholstered. I have several questions to ask you guys:

1. If I reupholster my cloth seats, will I need to purchase the foam padding like this? : http://www.theseatshop.com/driver-bottom-foam-cushion-bucket-seats-only.html?cat=1369&seat_cover=3 . Or should I purchase some donor leather seats and recover those?

2. Will the top portion of the chair also need the same type of foam w/ Velcro (If I reupholster the cloth seats)?

3. Would having the upholstery shop do the whole job (create the covers, and install) be cheaper than me providing the covers for them and just have them install them? (specifically http://www.theseatshop.com/full-front-row.html?cat=1369&seat_cover=3 )

4. What would be a ballpark estimate on labor costs if I were to have a shop reupholster the seats?

5. Have any of you used www.theseatshop.com before? They seem like a reputable company but like anything aftermarket, I'm worried about fitment.

6. How difficult is it to reupholster the front bucket seats? Any tips or tricks I should know?

I understand that some of the answers will vary greatly, but I've been on the fence about tackling the job myself or having a shop do it. Your input is greatly appreciated. Thank you.
 
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so, I kind was about to have this done on my 92.. turned out different.

My drivers seat bottom cushion frame broke, which seems common. Seats were in good shape except a minor tear.

I went to junkyard, got a frame and found a local upholstery guy in East LA. took it in and he told me if I just did the bottom it would look different because he couldn't get that material anymore.

I showed him what was wrong and he said, let me swap out the frames and keep your current seat cushion and cloth.

I went to pick it up a few hours later, he swapped the frame and added a piece of cloth where the tear was, a little different, but not noticeable.

to swap the frame and add that small piece of cloth he charged me $80.

not sure that helps, but it was less than I expected.
 

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Sounds like he did you right. Nice to see there are still some skilled guys out there that can fix whats needed without fleecing people. He will get your future business and you will recommend him to your friends.
 

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Pix of the seats would help.
Upholstery is like bodywork.
Without pix, it's like someone phoning a bodyshop & asking "How much to fix the dent in my truck?"
Too many variables.
Anyways...
1. New foam cushion buns may or not be required depending on the condition of the ones in the seats right now.
It's a good idea, considering the minimum age of these trucks is at least 17 or 18 years old, now. Next to the frame, they're the foundation for the covers.
But if you're being budget conscious, those are pretty expensive for what they are. A good upholsterer could fix up & build up the existing foam that's in the seats now. That $225.00 would be equal to 4.25 hours here in my shop. Even if there was $100.00 in foam needed, there's still over 3 hours that could be put towards fixing the existing.

2. Backrests take a lot less wear & tear than the cushions. Unless they've been gnawed on by a dog, the foam is usually in fairly decent shape. 99% of the time, much better shape than the cushions. If they do need repairs, most times, it's more financially sound to repair/rebuild what's in there now.

3. $699.00 for those covers? That's a good price. For me to make up those covers, just to purchase the leather would damn near equal the cost of those finished covers.
Small shops don't have the buying power to reach 'The Good Guy' price levels available when buying in larger quantities. Leather can only be purchased by the hide. Most hides are in the 45-50 sq.ft. range. I've seen smaller & I've seen much larger (91sq.ft! Big F'n cow!)
The cost of such is based on price per square foot. That price per sq/ft, can vary greatly depending on the quality & the various dyeing methods used.
I can get you leather for $6.00/sq/ft., but I wouldn't recommend, nor would I offer any warranty on that. You'd be better off with vinyl. It'd last longer!
A 'good' quality hide, (servicable grade, certainly not 'top-shelf') would start in the $12.00-$14.00 sq/ft. level. This is in the range of the original OEM quality.
That $$$ per sq/ft would be my cost when buying one to 5 hides. The price break would occur after that, but would only drop the cost down to maybe $2.00 less per sq/ft.
So, if a hide averages 50 sq/ft, one hide would cost $600.00-$700.00.
It takes 18 sq/ft to make one linear yard of fabric. (54"x36") So, that 50 sq/ft of leather only equals approx. 3.75 yards of roll stock. Now when that cost per sq/ft is translated into a linear yardage cost, you're looking at someting like $175.00+ per yard! Good vinyl is in the $25.00-$30.00 per yard price range.
And...with leather, there's a lot of waste. Holes & scars (barbed wire) have to be worked around, plus, only certain parts of the hide can be used for certain parts of the seat covers. Therefor, the cost per sq/ft consequently goes up, when compared to the actual useful amount of leather in a hide.
Not only that, but do you realize that only the faces of the seats, (the part you sit on) is the only part of the seat cover that is actually leather. The bands & the outer backs are vinyl. GM & 99% of all auto manufacturers do this. It's a cost per unit thing.
Then there's the labour to make up the covers.
From the minute they hit the bench, to the moment they go out the door, barring any major repairs to the frame, foam &/or electrical, there's going to be around 20 hours of re-&-re, fabrication & stitching time.
That's for a straight up recover. A duplication of the original covers. Anything custom would be charged out at straight time, over & above. $50.00/per.hr.
Now, these guys offering up pre-made covers are working off of patterns that they have already invested the time into making. That cuts down their time to manufacture them. I work on an individual projects at a time. It's always something different. Not often do I see the same job over & over enough to justify the time into actually making & consequently having to store & catalogue patterns.
But! (but...but...but!) I make $$$ on materials. Not a lot. But I do.
Sometimes, that's the only part of the job where I actually do make money.
I'm fussy. The last job is my standard for the next one. I'm only as good as the quality of the last one, even after damn near 40 years of doing this.
It's in my own best interests to the best job I'm capable of. And because I am so fussy, there are very few projects where I actually do make that $50.00/hr. I'd rather the job be perfect & the customer happy.
It's not like I'm making stuff & then sending it away, never knowing if the ability of the installer is up to the quality of the cover. Or, if a cover is supplied by the vehicle's owner, if the construction of the cover is up to my standards. Many come close. A lot don't.
For instance, I just waited 6 months for an interior kit to be made for a low-production Canadian-built Pontiac. Only the one Co. has the original materials for that car.
...and, what a joke. Instead of recieving some nice pre-made covers that should of fit the seats with no problems & an installation that required me to do nothing more than close my eyes & throw them on the frames, I had to spend 2 days making them 'right'. Like, tearing them down to the basic parts & resewing it all back together. There were glaring mistakes in the construction that were sooo wrong, the owner would of been better off just ordering the roll-stock & having me make up those covers. The way that they were constructed would never have resulted in a quality finished project.
That Co. is selling covers that had so many mistakes & were so wrong, that if any of my students, (Yea, I teach this stuff.) even with minimum experience, offered up something like those covers that that Co. charged good money for, they'd recieve an outright fail grade & would be starting the project over. Absolute crap!

Besides, I'm face-to-face with the customer.
I have a personal connection not only to the job, but to the customer too. And he knows where to find me if there is ever an issue within my offered warranty period. I offer that for one year on my workmanship.
Be prepared for a run-around if you ever have to make a warranty claim on those pre-made covers. They'll cough up enough caveats & disclaimers to discourage you from getting any kind of satisfaction towards getting the issue resolved.
Now, if someone is to bring in pre-made covers to me to install, you can bet that I'm going to add-on a hidden upcharge in order to make up for the $$$ I didn't make on the sale of the materials. Sorry, but that's business. I have overhead costs to cover at the end of every month. I have to keep the doors open somehow.

4. See above.

5. Lol! No.

Apologies for the mumbled ramblings.
I got on a roll! Lol!
 

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Sewlow I hope you copy and paste some of your loooonng answers....lol.... I don't think I could have typed all that as much as you post the info on all the seat cover threads I've seen you answer..... lol...

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Pix of the seats would help.
Upholstery is like bodywork.
Without pix, it's like someone phoning a bodyshop & asking "How much to fix the dent in my truck?"
Too many variables.
Anyways...
1. New foam cushion buns may or not be required depending on the condition of the ones in the seats right now.
It's a good idea, considering the minimum age of these trucks is at least 17 or 18 years old, now. Next to the frame, they're the foundation for the covers.
But if you're being budget conscious, those are pretty expensive for what they are. A good upholsterer could fix up & build up the existing foam that's in the seats now. That $225.00 would be equal to 4.25 hours here in my shop. Even if there was $100.00 in foam needed, there's still over 3 hours that could be put towards fixing the existing.

2. Backrests take a lot less wear & tear than the cushions. Unless they've been gnawed on by a dog, the foam is usually in fairly decent shape. 99% of the time, much better shape than the cushions. If they do need repairs, most times, it's more financially sound to repair/rebuild what's in there now.

3. $699.00 for those covers? That's a good price. For me to make up those covers, just to purchase the leather would damn near equal the cost of those finished covers.
Small shops don't have the buying power to reach 'The Good Guy' price levels available when buying in larger quantities. Leather can only be purchased by the hide. Most hides are in the 45-50 sq.ft. range. I've seen smaller & I've seen much larger (91sq.ft! Big F'n cow!)
The cost of such is based on price per square foot. That price per sq/ft, can vary greatly depending on the quality & the various dyeing methods used.
I can get you leather for $6.00/sq/ft., but I wouldn't recommend, nor would I offer any warranty on that. You'd be better off with vinyl. It'd last longer!
A 'good' quality hide, (servicable grade, certainly not 'top-shelf') would start in the $12.00-$14.00 sq/ft. level. This is in the range of the original OEM quality.
That $$$ per sq/ft would be my cost when buying one to 5 hides. The price break would occur after that, but would only drop the cost down to maybe $2.00 less per sq/ft.
So, if a hide averages 50 sq/ft, one hide would cost $600.00-$700.00.
It takes 18 sq/ft to make one linear yard of fabric. (54"x36") So, that 50 sq/ft of leather only equals approx. 3.75 yards of roll stock. Now when that cost per sq/ft is translated into a linear yardage cost, you're looking at someting like $175.00+ per yard! Good vinyl is in the $25.00-$30.00 per yard price range.
And...with leather, there's a lot of waste. Holes & scars (barbed wire) have to be worked around, plus, only certain parts of the hide can be used for certain parts of the seat covers. Therefor, the cost per sq/ft consequently goes up, when compared to the actual useful amount of leather in a hide.
Not only that, but do you realize that only the faces of the seats, (the part you sit on) is the only part of the seat cover that is actually leather. The bands & the outer backs are vinyl. GM & 99% of all auto manufacturers do this. It's a cost per unit thing.
Then there's the labour to make up the covers.
From the minute they hit the bench, to the moment they go out the door, barring any major repairs to the frame, foam &/or electrical, there's going to be around 20 hours of re-&-re, fabrication & stitching time.
That's for a straight up recover. A duplication of the original covers. Anything custom would be charged out at straight time, over & above. $50.00/per.hr.
Now, these guys offering up pre-made covers are working off of patterns that they have already invested the time into making. That cuts down their time to manufacture them. I work on an individual projects at a time. It's always something different. Not often do I see the same job over & over enough to justify the time into actually making & consequently having to store & catalogue patterns.
But! (but...but...but!) I make $$$ on materials. Not a lot. But I do.
Sometimes, that's the only part of the job where I actually do make money.
I'm fussy. The last job is my standard for the next one. I'm only as good as the quality of the last one, even after damn near 40 years of doing this.
It's in my own best interests to the best job I'm capable of. And because I am so fussy, there are very few projects where I actually do make that $50.00/hr. I'd rather the job be perfect & the customer happy.
It's not like I'm making stuff & then sending it away, never knowing if the ability of the installer is up to the quality of the cover. Or, if a cover is supplied by the vehicle's owner, if the construction of the cover is up to my standards. Many come close. A lot don't.
For instance, I just waited 6 months for an interior kit to be made for a low-production Canadian-built Pontiac. Only the one Co. has the original materials for that car.
...and, what a joke. Instead of recieving some nice pre-made covers that should of fit the seats with no problems & an installation that required me to do nothing more than close my eyes & throw them on the frames, I had to spend 2 days making them 'right'. Like, tearing them down to the basic parts & resewing it all back together. There were glaring mistakes in the construction that were sooo wrong, the owner would of been better off just ordering the roll-stock & having me make up those covers. The way that they were constructed would never have resulted in a quality finished project.
That Co. is selling covers that had so many mistakes & were so wrong, that if any of my students, (Yea, I teach this stuff.) even with minimum experience, offered up something like those covers that that Co. charged good money for, they'd recieve an outright fail grade & would be starting the project over. Absolute crap!

Besides, I'm face-to-face with the customer.
I have a personal connection not only to the job, but to the customer too. And he knows where to find me if there is ever an issue within my offered warranty period. I offer that for one year on my workmanship.
Be prepared for a run-around if you ever have to make a warranty claim on those pre-made covers. They'll cough up enough caveats & disclaimers to discourage you from getting any kind of satisfaction towards getting the issue resolved.
Now, if someone is to bring in pre-made covers to me to install, you can bet that I'm going to add-on a hidden upcharge in order to make up for the $$$ I didn't make on the sale of the materials. Sorry, but that's business. I have overhead costs to cover at the end of every month. I have to keep the doors open somehow.

4. See above.

5. Lol! No.

Apologies for the mumbled ramblings.
I got on a roll! Lol!
Thanks sewlow for the knowledgeable information. I apologize for not posting pics earlier, I was focused on the questions solely. Here are some pictures of my cloth seats
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. I don't have my eyes fixed on any donor seats, but will upload some pics if I do locate some.
By the looks of your response, the best way to go is taking the seats to a reupholstery shop which I'll probably do. I really do appreciate it Mr.sewlow, I guess it's time for me to start making some phone calls. Thank you!


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Sewlow I hope you copy and paste some of your loooonng answers....lol.... I don't think I could have typed all that as much as you post the info on all the seat cover threads I've seen you answer..... lol...

sent from what use to be a great country...

Lol! Nope. Just type this stuff up off of the top of my head. Lol!
 

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Curt. Not only should you shop around a bit, but you should also see some of the shops finished projects.
There's upholsterers, & then there's UPHOLSTERERS!
Don't get buffuloed by a furniture guy that says he can do the job. They don't 'get it' when it comes to automotive. Some do. Most don't. The only similarity between the two genres is that we both use scissors & a sewing machine.
 

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Curt. Not only should you shop around a bit, but you should also see some of the shops finished projects.
There's upholsterers, & then there's UPHOLSTERERS!
Don't get buffuloed by a furniture guy that says he can do the job. They don't 'get it' when it comes to automotive. Some do. Most don't. The only similarity between the two genres is that we both use scissors & a sewing machine.
I appreciate it. I'll definitely ask to see some finished products before committing with an upholstery shop. I have a few places in mind to contact and see if they'll do it or not. Most of the upholstery shops out here are booked for the next 4+ weeks. I guess that gives me time to prepare the wallet.


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When i went thru Trim an Upholstery we were taught how to price our work. Every excersise in this we never came out with a price for a interior job of QUALITY less than $5k. People see that dollar sign and don't see the skill or time or patience it takes. I have a huge appreciation for it and know now that if i take it to someone like Sewlow and he says its going to be $6k and take 3 weeks i understand. Things like GAS MONKEY garage have people jaded that they can go to a "reputable" trim shop and have seats recovered in leather with quality work for 1200 bucks in 2 days. That is not real life.
 
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