Cranks but won't start.

[Hipster]

I said kids but some were 20-30 somethings

 

[Keeper]

... and if it still makes that clicking clacking sound, I'll go ahead and check for loose rockers.

that made me spit water... LOL

Seriously though, good luck with the truck

 

[Hipster]

that made me spit water... LOL

yeah

 

[Hipster]

Just want to convey something here , when I was 17 I built a Mopar 360, spent every dime I had on it. I trashed it for pushrod length on shaft mount rockers. The guys I was hanging with were guys that were running 9.90 SG cars and the like. They dumbass m'fed me up one side and down the other no end. "We told you to check that" . Did I pull the victim card, call the mod squad, was I butthurt, did I cry foul? No. I thanked them. I took my medicine. They talked to me in terms that I've never forgot the lesson that was to be learned. I didn't get a trophy either.

 

[DeCaff2007]

that made me spit water... LOL

Seriously though, good luck with the truck

Don't understand how that's funny.

This, however, is: Fired it up after completely fixing all the wiring and installing a new set of spark wires. NO WAY IN HELL those sparkies are gonna melt, now!

Still hearing chitty chitty bang bang. Pulled the valve covers. Go ahead. Fcking laugh Hipster.

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In addition to this, several rockers are a loose.

 

[DeCaff2007]

Dude, I can be an ass, I'll give you that. Adhd, i know how difficult that can be, I'll give you that, Asking for advice then ignoring it, doing the exact opposite, or being argumentative about it is a different disorder I have also dealt with, with others. Clinical terminology escapes me at the moment. Myself and my ex were part of a respite program in MD. We watched Autistic, Asbergers, ADHD children one weekend a month to give families a break. Been around way worse and there was some training I had to participate in to have the kids in our house.

That's fine, but that doesn't mean you know me, nor what's going on in my head, so don't assume to. I'm NOT Autistic. I had to look up what Asperger's is and you spelled it wrong btw.

Dude, I do appreciate the advice, despite my "argumentative" reactions. It's not y'all. Lets suffice to say I don't like be told what to do/authority issues.

Anyway, go ahead and see the pics in the above post and laugh it the Hell up. I suppose next you all are going to say don't even re-adjust the valves and go straight for a new cam. Make it a roller cam this time. Yeah... NO. The heads i bought were designed for flat tappet, not roller. Converting the heads for roller cam is a whole other mess I DON'T want to get into.

 

[BeXtreme]

That's fine, but that doesn't mean you know me, nor what's going on in my head, so don't assume to. I'm NOT Autistic. I had to look up what Asperger's is and you spelled it wrong btw.

Dude, I do appreciate the advice, despite my "argumentative" reactions. It's not y'all. Lets suffice to say I don't like be told what to do/authority issues.

Anyway, go ahead and see the pics in the above post and laugh it the Hell up. I suppose next you all are going to say don't even re-adjust the valves and go straight for a new cam. Make it a roller cam this time. Yeah... NO. The heads i bought were designed for flat tappet, not roller. Converting the heads for roller cam is a whole other mess I DON'T want to get into.

Dude... the heads are not "designed for flat tappet". They might have flat tappet valve springs in them, but probably not even the right ones for the cam you have. Generally you would be swapping out the valve springs to match the style and characteristics of the cam you put in it, whether that is roller or flat tappet.

The problem I see here is that you had the rockers walk off because you aren't running self-aligning rockers or guide plates. You need to have one or the other with the lack of pushrod guide holes that you would normally see with those stock style rockers and stock heads. There is currently nothing keeping the rocker from sliding right off the side of the valve stem since the pushrod is not retained in the proper location AT ALL with those heads.

You need to make sure that the lifters didn't get shot out of their bore when cranking it with no pushrod on it also.

 

[DeCaff2007]

Dude... the heads are not "designed for flat tappet". They might have flat tappet valve springs in them, but probably not even the right ones for the cam you have. Generally you would be swapping out the valve springs to match the style and characteristics of the cam you put in it, whether that is roller or flat tappet.

The problem I see here is that you had the rockers walk off because you aren't running self-aligning rockers or guide plates. You need to have one or the other with the lack of pushrod guide holes that you would normally see with those stock style rockers and stock heads. There is currently nothing keeping the rocker from sliding right off the side of the valve stem since the pushrod is not retained in the proper location AT ALL with those heads.

You need to make sure that the lifters didn't get shot out of their bore when cranking it with no pushrod on it also.

Yeah, the springs. Sorry, that's what I meant. The springs match the cam. I called Summit Racing and made sure of it.

Actually, I DO have self aligning rockers. I do have the guide plates but took them off because they wouldn't line up.

Ok, I'll check the lifters, too. I should have never bought these fking heads.......

 

[Hipster]

That's fine, but that doesn't mean you know me, nor what's going on in my head, so don't assume to. I'm NOT Autistic. I had to look up what Asperger's is and you spelled it wrong btw.

Dude, I do appreciate the advice, despite my "argumentative" reactions. It's not y'all. Lets suffice to say I don't like be told what to do/authority issues.

Anyway, go ahead and see the pics in the above post and laugh it the Hell up. I suppose next you all are going to say don't even re-adjust the valves and go straight for a new cam. Make it a roller cam this time. Yeah... NO. The heads i bought were designed for flat tappet, not roller. Converting the heads for roller cam is a whole other mess I DON'T want to get into.

I wasn't insinuating you had Autism or Aspergers(thanks for the correction btw) but I did realize after the way you treat people that there was an issue when people talked to you authoritatively.

I don't know what makes you think everyone is laughing. When you have broken pieces or ground up parts they're still yours. You might think everything is cool, and I'm watching in disbelief, but hey do it your way and lets see what you come up with.

 

[Schurkey]

1. Are those self-locking nuts on the rocker arms? Stiff-turning even before they're "tight"?

2. I'm fairly sure we talked about self-aligning rockers previously, and--do I remember this right--you even posted a picture of them proving they were. Too many posts, and too many threads to keep this straight, and I'm not going to go searching.

3. Which means that either the lifter preload wasn't set correctly to begin with, the lifters have extreme leakdown, or you've got lobes with wear allowing more lash than the self-aligning rockers can accommodate. I've had a bad feeling about your lifter preload ever since you posted your procedure that didn't involve knowing whether each cylinder was on TDC-Compression or TDC-Exhaust as you adjusted them. This is important for the way MOST folks set lifter preload. Let's HOPE that's what caused the rockers to flop around, since the alternative costs more money, more effort, more enthusiasm, and more time to fix. Both floppy rockers are on exhaust valves. I'm wondering if that's somehow significant, or just random chance.

4. I have posted (several times) about the easiest, simplest way I know of to set lifter preload. I'll type it again if you promise to follow it. (No matter what procedure you use, finding the "zero-lash" point is the hardest part of setting lifter preload.)