454 vortech power and torque numbers and AFR

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there you go.....100k on engine......very well taken care...probably never been touched.
Original truck.........owned by a farmer in SD and only driven from SD to Texas once a year. All highway miles and parked in a garage the rest of the year. I talked to the shop that took care of the truck He said the guy was a fanatic about this trucks care and it shows. The engine and undercarriage are spotless....So I am fairly certain the engine is like new inside....I cant believe the towed with this with at least a 14.5 to 1 or leaner AFR but the dyno operator says its typical with these vortech 454 engines. He claims there is an easy 30 to 50 hp and and 20 to 30 ft pounds of torque in this engine.
I am pulling it and doing a 496 with all fresh parts and a different cam. I want to concentrate on power from 4000 rpm and below but see if I can get this torque up and lower than it is.........somewhere around 2000 to 2500 and at least 500 ft pounds...and maybe some more horsepower down low I use it for some commuting and towing a camper.
There was no tuning with this.......it was put it on and take it off in 15 min just to see where it was at so I have a baseline. I towed with this and it was not as easy as I thought. My foot was always in it. I should be able to see another 100 ft pounds or more of torque with everything correct.injectors/fuel pump etc/new fresh 496 cubic inch etc. This engine has the original plugs and wires on it. Its never been touched. A testimony to the reliability of these trucks. I have had diesels and love them.....but fuel prices/repair labor etc can cost a pretty penny. I think I can get close to an early duramax for torque and power. Maybe not as low but close if I concentrate on air speed down low in rpm in the cyl jead and make the cam small enough. The 496 is capable of 600ft pounds of torque. Not in this engine because its not going to be optimized like say a 5500 rpm engine would be. I want to take the 4:10 gear out and make it a 3:73 or go to gear vendors


I have seen dyno testing on a 454 Vortec in a RV that gained 15 hp just following the GM TSB of regapping the plugs to IIRC 45 thousandths instead of 60 thousandths. Goes back to the what I was saying before there is power to be had with what you already have.

Those small port vortec heads can work very well, just watch out with your piston selection on the 496 build. Those iron heads have small chambers too and it would be very easy to put the compression into the race gas only range.

Also since your engine speed will be low and you are not shooting for high hp goals I would look into a set of reconditioned and flow matched 28 lb/hr LS6 injectors. If you go 0411 the injector data for the injectors that gets programmed into the computer is readily available.

You might also look into the coil per cylinder conversion. The L21 medium duty 454 Vortec engine had coils mounted to the valve covers and a LS style 24x crank reluctor. The 24x ignition system is much more reliable and made a noticeable performance change in my L31 compared to the OEM distributor and single coil. The spark timing is more accurate and the spark voltage/intensity/duration are increased.
 
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I have seen dyno testing on a 454 Vortec in a RV that gained 15 hp just following the GM TSB of regapping the plugs to IIRC 45 thousandths instead of 60 thousandths. Goes back to the what I was saying before there is power to be had with what you already have.

Those small port vortec heads can work very well, just watch out with your piston selection on the 496 build. Those iron heads have small chambers too and it would be very easy to put the compression into the race gas only range.

Also since your engine speed will be low and you are not shooting for high hp goals I would look into a set of reconditioned and flow matched 28 lb/hr LS6 injectors. If you go 0411 the injector data for the injectors that gets programmed into the computer is readily available. You might also look into the coil per cylinder conversion. The L21 medium duty 454 Vortec engine had coils mounted to the valve covers and a LS style 24x crank reluctor. The 24x ignition system is much more reliable and made a notoceable performance change in my L31 compared to the OEM distributor and single coil. The spark timing is more accurate and the spark voltage/intensity/duration are increases.
I am well aware of the piston situation and CR. I was a serious drag racer for 30 plus years. I know the vortech is 99 to 100 cc and will need to run a small dish to maintain no more than 9.1 cr I can change the reluctor and if I am going to do this I probably will
 

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Boy howdy this doesn't make me feel good about the power output of my truck.

Hopefully an 0411 with some decent tuning and a full exhaust with headers along with a few other upgrades will help?
 

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its easy to get ahold of lextech. on ls1 truck website, i got a pinout last week
wow I have asked him and said I would pay him and buy the pcm from him...dont know but I think its like a lottery win with lextech. Some guys can get it and some cannot. You had good numbers I guess...
 

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Boy howdy this doesn't make me feel good about the power output of my truck.

Hopefully an 0411 with some decent tuning and a full exhaust with headers along with a few other upgrades will help?
I am not doing any headers.......bad news for towing and overall reliablity...they do nothng for you below 4500
 

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I am well aware of the piston situation and CR. I was a serious drag racer for 30 plus years. I know the vortech is 99 to 100 cc and will need to run a small dish to maintain no more than 9.1 cr I can change the reluctor and if I am going to do this I probably will

Good deal!

Of you are going through all the trouble of the 0411 swap anyway as well as the engine build it gets almost shameful not to update to the 24x system. Its only about 12 wires that get added to the engine harness and you can pull the coil wiring to the PCM of any junkyard 99-06 LS truck for practically nothing. Just have to find someone that can setup the correct PCM file to get it going.

EFI connection even went so far as to convert a 454 to a Ramjet intake and drive by wire system.

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I am not doing any headers.......bad news for towing and overall reliablity...they do nothng for you below 4500

That's what throws me off, some people don't see a change with headers, some people say it woke their truck up. I'm willing to take a gamble though; I'd be interested in getting my truck on a dyno for some comparisons to before and after with the 0411 and full exhaust.

wow I have asked him and said I would pay him and buy the pcm from him...dont know but I think its like a lottery win with lextech. Some guys can get it and some cannot. You had good numbers I guess...
He got back to me within a couple days; I got the pinout and I've been meaning to mail him payment for a swap kit but bills keep getting in the way. $190 for a tuned PCM and all the connectors is a pretty good deal to me.
 

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I am not doing any headers.......bad news for towing and overall reliablity...they do nothng for you below 4500

Completely disagree but I understand the desire to keep the manifolds for maintenence and reliabilty.

After I put tri-y headers on the Express it made ALOT more grunt even down in the 1,500-2,500 rpm range. Same torque converter would stall 200 rpm higher. I was suddenly able to climb hills in overdrive that had previously caused the trans to drop to 3rd. My vacuum at cruising speed on the highway also increased 2-3 in/hg at 70 mph.

I am sure header selection plays a HUGE role in the results. If a person was to throw some header with a massive primary and collector diameter on a stock engine I could see it not helping or even hurting through the 4,500 rpm range. A good quality tri-y like Doug Thorley makes will wake up the bottem end and midrange ALOT!
 
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