Spyder headlamps.....my take on 'em...and LIGHTING in general

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the other NOS fog light showed up today...this one has the metal housing,the other was a "glass type" plastic....both from korea....same nice gauge metal bracket.

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the other had a korean Philips H3, this one has a German Osram.
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i guess the plastic version came later....maybe it was cheaper to manufacture, who knows as i'd think it needs different tooling to make. i don't know where they were made before GM sold off the tooling, production licensing or just the country of origin.

who knows, who really cares at this point.....i can't believe the difference between this piece and those ******** "things" that TCY made and i sent back to Amazon.......

while i was rootin around my garage i came across an old set of Hella fog lenses i had saved.....these are pretty good glass lenses....and they fit in these housings....a bit more robust than the GM parts, but with some trimming inside the housing it would fit.

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i don't know why i have these, but they're old NOS Ford units and good quality....i'm sure i'll never use them so i guess id sell em. i "think" these are for Hella's 450 size lights.
 

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the new Harley Street Glide standard comes with the clear lensed H4 7" hedlight, the SG special comes with a dual bulb halogen unit...the CVO's have LED's.....anyway..it used to be their P&A(parts & accessories) upgrade lamp, before the LED lights made their debut. it looks like this:

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it has H11 low beam and an H9 high beam bulbs...with an adapter harness to plug into the stock 3 blade H4 style connector. i forgot to take a picture of the adapter...

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what i'd think most of us know by now is with a dual filament bulb/lens combination such as an H4 lamp, the low filament has a little "glare cap" under the filiment to force the reflection UP so the top half of the lens "shines" as the LOW BEAM.....the other filament, the high beam, is wide open and uses the whole parabolic reflector to create the high beam......basically a lens with an identity crisis.....it's said that ONE dual purpose lamp isn't as good as TWO separate lamps for the low/high beams functions in a system....basically quad is better than two, in general.

i got me a surprise today......Harley came out with this dualie...i don't know when, but before 2007....it's STILL an upgrade for the bikes that come with the smooth glass 7" H4 lights as stock, which is a lot of bikes...

anyway......the 1st generation R2D2 styled Daymaker LED lights came out in like '09 i was told.......either way i never knew that Harley actually had a P&A offering and was a different version of this dual bulber...it had a HID low beam! i checked and it was only offered for 2 years....my boss actually had one.....very interesting.

it looked like this...and it DOES indeed have a different shaped low beam reflector than it's halogen brethren. it's the "crescent shaped part up top.
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apparently these are Harley's versions of the old dual bulb offerings like the Marchall Ampilux, the Hella bi-Focal and (i forgot what) Cibie's offering was called........i though it was very interesting since i'm looking to get rid of those smooth lenses my FLD, both my headlight and auxiliary lights.

i was talkin to my bro Plhil yesterday about these lights and today he gave me that one up top.......i'm gonna try it out.

incidentally, both these versions are made in the USA.....and have German bulbs in them.....i didn't check where the HID balast/bulb is made, but i could find out.
 

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Wow, lot more info in the last few pages to digest. Goodtimes!

Bill, for a minute, you sounded like you were winding down this thread man... had that gut feeling you get knowing that you are nearing the end of the story in a good book or movie... almost went into the millenial rocking-fetal position.... almost.

Also Bill, I got those Cibie 95is in... beautiful shape... Thank You for the info and suggestion again.

Seems the guy has a bunch more, as the same ad went back up on Feepay the other day. They are clean and have none of scuff/wear marks that he warns about in the description. Good buy for relatively short money, although it does suck that they dont include any hardware or accessory wiring, etc, (does come with covers and mounting stud).

That set of NOS GMC KC lights I put an offer on... the guy never responded to me and they apparently sold for better than my offer; I didnt strike hard or fast enough...LOL!

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GM P/N 12341840: 2 Lamp Pkg; foglights w/ covers, lexan lens, wiring harness, directions, (switch?)....

Essentially, its a pair of KC 738's, with a GM Spec'd harness and a GM part number. My research tied these to '88-'94 GMT400 C/K trucks, as an accessory O.T.C. part/dealer option.
(FYI, they are discontinued folks.)

If they are like the typical KC 738's, they are not "great" quality & are more of a show than go... BUT, I would also suspect that GM forced KC to do some better-than-normal QC on them because they are an "Official GM Part-Numbered Accessory". Being an actual GM Part puts near-complete liablility upon GM's shoulders for any defects &/or safety problems, so the GM lawyers would have made sure QC was a priority in negotiations..... Not to be confused with "GM-Licensed Parts", which are in no way the same thing... just someone paying GM a royalty fee to put a GM logo on an aftermarket part, with GM setting general requirements for fit, function, & safety of product.

That said, the stock foglight mounting for these trucks was in the front valance, (as seen on the 454 SS). If this was the GM Dealership accessory upgrade over the stock foglights, its kinda strange that these were not made with pendant mountings. You gotta wonder how much thought was put into their actual usefulness in that style of pre-set mounting. I dont recall GM offering a low-mount brushguard for these trucks, but someone may know otherwise. ....As said in other posts, its difficult for foglights to work properly if they are not low enough to the ground & aimed properly.. ie.) see the road/terrain below any fog, snow, rain/drizzle.
"Eh, flip the Foglights upside down & mount in the stock brackets."
Unless you've been intermittently watching **** while reading this thread, you should know that the lenses & reflectors should ideally be designed to specifically cast light directionally, only to where its needed. I dunno if these lenses &/or the reflectors are bi-curious, allowing for the things to simply get flipped or if you can flip the lenses, but Id think GM would've had KC done that before packaging em up, but who knows?. To me anyway, the lens looks very similar to the run-of-the-mill GM foglight lens used on these trucks and other GM vehicles of the 80's/early-90's, but clearly a KC 738. Dunno if the magical difference is on the inside, "Ribbed for Her Pleasure" portion of the lens and the reflector.

Ultimately, the above is about as significant as someone's feet being on the Oval Office Presidential couch, when you compare it to the Oval Cigar Humidor Billy Clinton had on the Oval Office Presidential couch.

Also, Fender Flairs... look cool but an invitation for rot in the rust belt... any kind of body cladding that isnt sealed/bonded to the body panels is a repository for moisture, salt, dirt, and Calcium Chloride.... all very bad mojo on a bad **** looking truck.
 
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and yea....i'm not too thrilled with how it looks, but i'm going to test it out on my bike when i can ride again.....i have a 7" Cibie e-code for her now that's waiting to go in.

so today i pulled one of these Street Glide Specials in the shop for the night.......of course i had to take a beam shot.......this bike's light is aimed like fu@kin ****.......but we'll see.

low...has a very sharp cutoff....it just ENDS.
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and the high beam, yes it's a Hi2 unlike an H4 unit.
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Wow, lot more info in the last few pages to digest. Goodtimes!

Bill, for a minute, you sounded like you were winding down this thread man... had that gut feeling you get knowing that you are nearing the end of the story in a good book or movie... almost went into the millenial rocking-fetal position.... almost.

Also Bill, I got those Cibie 95is in... beautiful shape... Thank You for the info and suggestion again.

Seems the guy has a bunch more, as the same ad went back up on Feepay the other day. They are clean and have none of scuff/wear marks that he warns about in the description. Good buy for relatively short money, although it does suck that they dont include any hardware or accessory wiring, etc, (does come with covers and mounting stud).

That set of NOS GMC KC lights I put an offer on... the guy never responded to me and they apparently sold for better than my offer; I didnt strike hard or fast enough...LOL!

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GM P/N 12341840: 2 Lamp Pkg; foglights w/ covers, lexan lens, wiring harness, directions, (switch?)....

Essentially, its a pair of KC 738's, with a GM Spec'd harness and a GM part number. My research tied these to '88-'94 GMT400 C/K trucks, as an accessory O.T.C. part/dealer option.
(FYI, they are discontinued folks.)

If they are like the typical KC 738's, they are not "great" quality & are more of a show than go... BUT, I would also suspect that GM forced KC to do some better-than-normal QC on them because they are an "Official GM Part-Numbered Accessory". Being an actual GM Part puts near-complete liablility upon GM's shoulders for any defects &/or safety problems, so the GM lawyers would have made sure QC was a priority in negotiations..... Not to be confused with "GM-Licensed Parts", which are in no way the same thing... just someone paying GM a royalty fee to put a GM logo on an aftermarket part, with GM setting general requirements for fit, function, & safety of product.

That said, the stock foglight mounting for these trucks was in the front valance, (as seen on the 454 SS). If this was the GM Dealership accessory upgrade over the stock foglights, its kinda strange that these were not made with pendant mountings. You gotta wonder how much thought was put into their actual usefulness in that style of pre-set mounting. I dont recall GM offering a low-mount brushguard for these trucks, but someone may know otherwise. ....As said in other posts, its difficult for foglights to work properly if they are not low enough to the ground & aimed properly.. ie.) see the road/terrain below any fog, snow, rain/drizzle.
"Eh, flip the Foglights upside down & mount in the stock brackets."
Unless you've been intermittently watching **** while reading this thread, you should know that the lenses & reflectors should ideally be designed to specifically cast light directionally, only to where its needed. I dunno if these lenses &/or the reflectors are bi-directional, allowing for the things to simply get flipped or if you can flip the lenses, but Id think GM would've had KC done that before packaging em up, but who knows?. To me anyway, the lens looks very similar to the run-of-the-mill GM foglight lens used on these trucks and other GM vehicles of the 80's/early-90's, but clearly a KC 738. Dunno if the magical difference is on the inside, "Ribbed for Her Pleasure" portion of the lens and the reflector.

Ultimately, the above is about as significant as someone's feet being on the Oval Office Presidential couch, when you compare it to the Oval Cigar Humidor Billy Clinton had on the Oval Office Presidential couch.

Also, Fender Flairs... look cool but an invitation for rot in the rust belt... any kind of body cladding that isnt sealed/bonded to the body panels is a repository for moisture, salt, dirt, and Calcium Chloride.... all very bad mojo on a bad **** looking truck.

whew...good post.....like one of my shorter one's....LMAO.

when i first started this thread it was called "Spyder headlights...my take on em". that's all it was going to be about...my review on them and a harness upgrade........THEN, mr techno geek that is me, figured out how to change an existing thread title and it just went...well, ballistic from there....that was like on page 5 or so....haha.

my goal was to get that done before i went back to work. i started again yesterday.......so i did accomplish my goal and then some, huh?

i have lots of things left to do and will continue to update as i find pertinent information or i do or change something.....just not at it's current pace. i actually have to wake up at 7 again, no more going to bed at 4 for me. LOL.

ok, back to the Cibie 95's.

the guy you bought them from is my new Cibie "go to" guy. i didn't know that at the time i suggested those to you.......it started with that quad set of 5 3/4" e-codes i bough from him......and then other things....the Oscar Plus fog lenses...the Airport 35 clear driving lenses and buckets.........we started exchanging e-bay messages, talking(typing) on a more personal level....he gave me his shop number. e-mails and many phone calls have developed into a friendship of sorts.......he's the gent that told me "the Cibie community is small and now your in it"......he turned me onto some of his connections to find those 35 bulb holders........and he has TONS of Cibie stuff......tons....."not on main street garage" is his real shop. they restore old Porsche, BMW and other high end European cars as well as regular vehicles.....he was into rally racing and such.......cool guy for real.

he has my "wish list" now too, LOL....he'll be searching his inventory for odd things we may interested in as well....funny how things happen, huh?

yea, those 95's are way better than those KC's could aspire too be...and they're the right size for the valance, just have to bracket em up......... that KC part # was a bigger light....about the size of the Airports i got. i'm not sure if they would fit in the "stock" place.......didn't GM make an aluminum grill guard for the earlier Z71 trucks? maybe even a "baja inspired" S-10 used them?

the one you got are the 95I, for improved....a great light for folks in the snow bel for sure.....and i like the fact that they have a different cover, cool as hell

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those would be my choice for the valance....and they kinda blend in as the cover is "muted" compared to the white ones......definitly a cool purchase.....did you want those particular KC's over the Cibie's......or was it a "GM thing" like the ones i got and won't use now? LMAO.
 

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I liked the GM harness part and hoped there was a switch in there, because the '88-'94 foglight switch is near unobtainium. I hate that stuff, but hoard it when I find stuff I need or want for a project I never will likely get to build/own. I have a pile of '78-'80 Grand Am bits, most of which also can be used in the '78-'81 Le Mans and '78-'87 Grand Prix...save a few G.A. specific parts. (I want one of each). Had a White '84 GP that died a sad death... best of the G-Body platforms for rigidity if you know what you are looking for and find a solid one.

I have an '84 RPO Y84 Trans Am S/E, aka the "Recaro Edition"... '84 was the last year of the Y84 Black and Gold Trans Am Special Edition's that Burt had made Infamous (albeit the 3rd Gen). L69, T5, 3.73's bone stock except for the "Day Two" Enkei rims on her. Lots of unobtainium on that car... I have lots of it as extras... along with piles of other rare 3rd Gen bits that I will only sell or trade for other unobtainium... just need to get my hand on a RPO T45 aluminum Turbo hood and the Dana 44 HD "Replacement Axle"...

Anyway,

Im not sure if I want to cut my valance or make something... being a Z71 truck, I have tow hooks. I dont know of any foglight-tow hook valances up for sale, so... another unobtainium, albeit aftermarket. Only have seen a few, so no idea when they were made or who sold them.
 

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Posting up the links to my front end lights that I tried to post earlier in the thread, hopefully the links don't magically change this time... This stuff is, in my opinion, about the nicest aftermarket composite setup you can get (Short of the unobtainable Brazilian Artebs) with plastic lenses.

Anzo 111004 headlights:
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0015PPZMC

DNA Motoring BLC10CH parking lights:
https://www.amazon.com/DNA-Motoring-BLC10SM-Bumper-Light/dp/B01EXXTC1W

And for the hell of it, here's the bulbs I'm running. Nothing special, but they work just fine. I switched to these instead of GE Nighthawks as they're a lot easier to find.

Sylvania XtraVision 9005 and 9006 bulbs:
https://www.amazon.com/SYLVANIA-XtraVision-Halogen-Headlight-Contains/dp/B0031HI0HY
https://www.amazon.com/SYLVANIA-XtraVision-Halogen-Headlight-Contains/dp/B0031HEIDY
 
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