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Sampuppy1

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I dreaded this day ever since I signed on to this site. After 7 years in my care, and 273k miles.....I'm having some trouble. I don't know if any of it is related so I'll keep the different issues separated.

Edit-this is a 97k1500. 60e 350


First off is the biggest issue. My converter takes a bit longer to lock in 4th than usual. I have to drive a good mile or so above 50 before it kicks down that last couple hundred rpm.

Now for the oddball stuff. I have had a shudder at idle creep for awhile. If I idle in any gear and there's resistance (traveling up an incline/riding brakes) the truck shudders. Rpms stay consistent. It's a driveline shudder. Idling with no resistance there is no shudder.

In the past two weeks I've begun to notice a clicking sound that now accompanies the shudder. The clicking is only in forward gears though at idle with resistance. Idle with no resistance and no click.

I laid next to the truck and had a buddy replicate the clicking. My drive shaft appears to be ratcheting. The u joints are solid. I checked them. They are regularly greased, move freely. The whole shaft ratchets as well as the yoke going into the tcase. It's internal somewhere. Sounds like its from the front of the transmission area but it's not easy to pinpoint exactly. It'll rotate a quarter inch and rock back an 1/8th. I've never had any slippage, grinding, popping, banging, or hard jolting stuff. It's a very gentle shudder.

But it's concerning at the same time. I'm freaking stumped. Is all this because of that little valve for the tcc? Or do I have other deeper issues going on.

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Also note I regularly change my fluids, I've drained and filled three times in the 100k I've put on the truck, I have the stock cooler, a Mag hytec trans pan that adds 3 quarts to the capacity, and check the fluid weekly. I'm **** about preventative maintenance.

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I dreaded this day ever since I signed on to this site. After 7 years in my care, and 273k miles.....I'm having some trouble. I don't know if any of it is related so I'll keep the different issues separated.

Edit-this is a 97k1500. 60e 350


First off is the biggest issue. My converter takes a bit longer to lock in 4th than usual. I have to drive a good mile or so above 50 before it kicks down that last couple hundred rpm.

Now for the oddball stuff. I have had a shudder at idle creep for awhile. If I idle in any gear and there's resistance (traveling up an incline/riding brakes) the truck shudders. Rpms stay consistent. It's a driveline shudder. Idling with no resistance there is no shudder.

In the past two weeks I've begun to notice a clicking sound that now accompanies the shudder. The clicking is only in forward gears though at idle with resistance. Idle with no resistance and no click.

I laid next to the truck and had a buddy replicate the clicking. My drive shaft appears to be ratcheting. The u joints are solid. I checked them. They are regularly greased, move freely. The whole shaft ratchets as well as the yoke going into the tcase. It's internal somewhere. Sounds like its from the front of the transmission area but it's not easy to pinpoint exactly. It'll rotate a quarter inch and rock back an 1/8th. I've never had any slippage, grinding, popping, banging, or hard jolting stuff. It's a very gentle shudder.

But it's concerning at the same time. I'm freaking stumped. Is all this because of that little valve for the tcc? Or do I have other deeper issues going on.

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Sounds like torque converter is on its way out it doesn't happen often I have owned 7 of these trucks with milage from 80k to 500k and it's only happen once but it sounds like what your going thru it started off ass light clicking and delayed engagement then one day no more forward or reverse and loud metal sound
 

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Sounds like torque converter is on its way out it doesn't happen often I have owned 7 of these trucks with milage from 80k to 500k and it's only happen once but it sounds like what your going thru it started off ass light clicking and delayed engagement then one day no more forward or reverse and loud metal sound
I hope that's not it. I've heard that a little valve replacement can fix it before it takes out the converter. I'm gonna try that first. The fluid still looks decent so it's not getting hot yet. Hopefully I've caught it early enough that it's not shot already. If it is trashed I'll get another one and throw some goodies in the old girl. The 60e works fine for my use. I've built a couple transverse automatics already so a straight through design should be a bit simpler.

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Before guessing at transmission problems, check the fluid level (car warmed up, engine running in Park on level ground) and have the PCM scanned for trouble codes FIRST. This guide is meant for problems that do not show up as PCM codes (like shift A&B solenoid failures, for example).

NOTE:The transmission is on the same fuse as the MAF, O2 sensors and at least one other sensor - if an O2 shorts out, it will blow the fuse and the trans will go into limp-home mode. Be sure the trans has power and the fuse is not blown before doing anything else.

Also note that many problems that show up as transmission issues are actually PCM or electrical, and may be external to the transmission. Try a different PCM, and check for chafing where the cables come out of the PCM.

Secondly, put a line pressure gauge ($55 shipped on Ebay, or visit a local trans shop) on the pressure test port and go for a drive to verify proper line pressure. Base pressure at idle in P,N,OD should be around 70psi and around 140psi in R. Max line pressure should be at least 190psi at WOT in 1st or 2nd, 225psi is optimum. If base pressure is low, trans or pump is worn out. If max pressure is low, check EPC solenoid. If reverse is slow to engage, and line pressure does not come up to at least 130psi in reverse, replace the boost valve with a Transgo 0.500" boost valve (easy fix in pan).

Beware of coolant contamination - coolant will cause clutch packs to delaminate and thus cost you a rebuild! Trans fluid eats radiator hoses! If you find any sign of cross contamination, fix the problem and thoroughly flush both systems IMMEDIATELY.

What is "limp-home mode" ? This is a fault mode in which the transmission either loses electrical power or the PCM deactivates all of the electronics. The transmission will default to max line pressure. The driver will have Reverse and 3rd, with manual 2nd available by putting the gearshift in 2 or 1 (doesn't matter). 1st, 4th, and TCC lockup will not be available. It will not hurt the car to drive it like this for short periods, but use manual 2nd to get the car moving, and be aware that the trans will generate more heat than normal while operating in limp-home mode due to increased torque converter slippage during 2nd gear starts and no lockup in 3rd gear.

R&R = Remove & Repair (or Rebuild) = Transmission must be removed to fix the problem and may have to be rebuilt or replaced.

Common failures on 4L60E, symptom < cause > any possible repair:
1. Slow, slipping or no reverse: “lo-reverse” clutches are worn out, fluid leak in the reverse apply circuit, or broken sunshell. It is possible to remedy a fluid problem by removing the checkball from its cage in the case in the rear of the trans may help (must remove valvebody), or adding a high-viscosity additive such as Lucas Transmission additive or other seal restorer product. May also have worn boost valve (can replace in the pan).
2. 1-2 shift does not happen at WOT until you let off the gas: Best case: try replacing the TPS. Middle case: leak in the 2nd gear apply circuit (servo assembly or 1-2 accumulator). Doublecheck by using the pressure gauge and watch for a big drop when the PCM commands 2nd gear. Worst case: poor line pressure rise (see below).
3. 1-2 Shift shudder at WOT; delayed or abnormal 1-2 shift; There's a problem ONLY on the 1-2 shift: 1-2 accumulator piston cracked or stuck cocked in the bore. Check the yellow spring inside the accum housing for breakage. Also, if the accumulator housing walls are scored, the housing must be replaced. Easy fix in the pan.
4. 1-2 shift is delayed and harsh, may not shift into OD: Check TPS for smooth and linear electrical response over the entire range of motion. If not, replace.
5. Trans does not upshift out of first, speedometer reads zero at all times: VSS failure. Easy fix on rear of transmission, but xmember must come out to access VSS.
6. No 3rd or 4th gear: “3-4” clutches are worn out. R&R. The car is safe to drive (in 2) until you can get it fixed.
7. Sudden grinding noise with no prior warning primarily in 2nd gear, behavior in reverse may be abnormal; sunshell is fractured. R&R. Try not to run or drive the car or further damage could result.
8. 1st and 3rd only, no 2,4 or R; sunshell is fractured or splines are sheared off. R&R. Try not to run or drive the car or further damage could result.
9. No 2nd or 4th gear. 2-4 band is slipping. Servo seals may be damaged (can be fixed without removing trans. Otherwise, 2-4 band is worn out. R&R.
10. Trans shifts into gear harshly, car feels sluggish off the line, No 1st, 4th or TCC lockup available, Manual 2nd, 3rd and Reverse are only available gears, CEL is on: Transmision is either in limp-home mode or has lost electrical power. If there are lots of error codes in the PCM, check the underhood fuse that powers the transmission, and if it pops again, look for a short in that circuit like an O2 sensor harness touching exhaust. Otherwise, check PCM codes for a particular fault in the transmission causing the PCM to put it in limp-home mode.
11. No 1st or 4th available; trans shifts 2nd to 3rd by itself in D or OD and locks the converter : ShiftA solenoid failed. Easy fix in the pan. Or a wiring problem from PCM to trans.. or PCM.
12. Car goes into gear but feels very sluggish like the brakes are dragging, but it will roll easily (starts out in 4th gear), you manually shift to 2 to get it moving, once it's moving you put it back in OD and the car shifts 3rd to 4th on its own and locks the converter at the appropriate time: ShiftB solenoid failed: Easy fix in the pan. Or a wiring problem from PCM to trans.. or PCM.
13. No TCC lockup: Brake pedal switches improperly adjusted (always on), TCC solenoid failed (easy fix in the pan), TCC clutch worn out (must remove trans and replace TC).
14. TCC always locked: TCC apply solenoid circuit shorted to ground, TCC solenoid blockage (easy fix in pan), or TC broken (must remove trans and replace TC).
15. Horrible noise in 4th and feels like the brakes are on: overrun clutches are applying due to a cracked or leaking forward piston. Overrun clutches will be worn out after 30 seconds of this behavior. Car can be safely driven in D. R&R.
16. Soft shifting, gradual performance degradation: Poor line pressure rise due to leaking boost valve, clogged EPC filter screen, failing EPC solenoid, or worst case: leaky seals throughout. Transgo HD2-C kit fixes first two without removing trans. Seal restorer may fix last problem, but probably R&R. Also try a transmission flush with BG brand products (Firestone stocks it).
17. No forward movement in OD or D, but L2, L1 and R work: Forward sprag is broken. R&R. Try not to run or drive the car or further damage could result.
18. Extremely harsh shifts from P or N, normal shifts at WOT: EPC (Electronic Pressure Control) solenoid failed. Easy fix in pan. Fix as soon as possible or hard parts will eventually break.
19. Loud bang, grinding sound, loss of all gears, and a binding driveshaft: snapped output shaft. Try to wiggle driveshaft - if more than 0.020" play, that's the sign. R&R.
20. Trans seems noisy when moving in 1st and Reverse, noise goes away instantly if you shift to N or the trans goes into 3rd gear: Reaction planetary is worn out due to high miles or insufficient lubrication. Not a critical failure, but not a good sign either. R&R sooner rather than later.
21. No movement in any gear: pump failure, or total loss of fluid. R&R, or refill pan and find the leak. If out of fluid, avoid running the engine until the trans is refilled to avoid pump damage. To check for pump failure, check fluid level with the engine off, then start the engine and recheck fluid level. If level does not go down when engine is running, the pump is broken.
22. Transmission does not shift automatically, only manually. Swap in a known-good PCM, check wiring, check other sensors such as VSS and TPS.
23. 3rd gear starts, can manually shift through all gears. When car has been turned off for a bit, then back on it will run normally.: VSS dropoff w/ Hi-stall converter. The rpms are too high, but VSS is showing no movement. Happens after a tire burning take-off. Doesn't store a code, will not throw a CEL (I've heard that it will store a code if it happens 3 or more times). Cure: Reprogram PCM for VSS dropoff -- PCMforLess knows about it.
24. Fluid leak out of the front of trans where the converter connects; partial or full loss of movement: Front pump bushing walked out. R&R. May have to replace converter also if hub is scored. Note that a leaking front seal usually means the bushing is walking out (i.e. call your local trans shop and schedule an appt.).
25. Torque converter shudder in 4th while lockup is engaged; problem goes away when the brake pedal is pressed slightly to unlock converter. Have a shop verify line pressure, and provided no valves in the TCC hydraulic circuit are worn, replace the torque converter. Also, Lubegard Shudder Fix will at least fix this for awhile. Or try a transmission flush by a shop that uses BG brand products.
26. Shift suddenly become very hard. When going from park to either reverse or drive it slams into gear. 1-2 and 2-3 shifts are also harsh. All gears seems to work. Problem may be intermittent: Check TPS for smooth electrical response. If the response is jumpy or erratic at all, replace TPS.
27. All fluid pumped out through the vent tube: Plugged cooler line. Flush the transmission cooler and cooler lines. Also could be overfiled transmission.
28. Car acts like it's in OD in neutral, car is locked stationary in R, engine feels loaded in P, all four forward positions work fine: R&R: Internal crossleak feeding the forward clutches all the time. Most likely a cracked input housing, or cracked forward piston means forward clutches are fused together. Car can safely be driven gently in forward gears until the repair.
29. Needle bearings in the pan, first gear and/or reverse may be noisy: Either a torrington bearing or a planetary bearing is on its way out. Trans will eventually die a loud, catastrophic death. Cheaper to rebuild now (saves further damage to hard parts), but requires R&R. It is drivable until it breaks.
30. 1-2 or 2-3 shift is slow/soft above part throttle: Trans is on its way out. R&R.

How often do any of these issues occur in an average truck? Mine has 213,000 on its transmission, and I'd really like to do as much as I can to prevent any of these from happening.
 

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Depends what shape it was in when you bought it. Check fluids regularly, drain and fill regularly with a new filter. I have 274k on mine.

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Read through all these and my problem seems just a little different. I actually just got a 94 K1500, my firm gmt400. When I drive normally everything seems to shift and drive mostly fine. If I have to give it a big bit of gas (not fully WOT) it will seem to hit a false when it should shift up between gears. If I let off it will then shift and sometimes clank into gear. If I am at hwy speed and need to pass, it again looses power or a false neutral, right when it should be shifting down to get a lower gear for some passing speed. Transfulid looks really good actually, lots red so looks pretty fresh. The truck does have 265K and I don't know any history of it other than it was a one owner vehicle and it seems like it was owned by a guy who would have taken care of it, not thrashed by any means. Any ideas? I hope it is not just old and slowing going out, but I guess it could be.
 

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I have a 'New' (to me at least) 1994 Chevy K2500 with 305 v-8 & 4L60E transmission with 161K showing on the odometer.

When I was towing an empty trailer down the highway at 70, twice I felt a SHARP jerk and "bang" which felt like either the engine cut out of just a second and came back on or that I may have something funky going on in the transmission - like it self shifted for a half second to neutral and then back into drive. I am pretty sure the "bang" was the trailer coming forward out of slack with the pintel hitting the lunette, and then going full backward into tension again.

Any suggestions as to what to look at or what may be the cause? I'm new to the GMT400, so all suggestions of what to check out or preventative care are all appreciated.

Thanks!

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Have a quick question an wasn't sure where it would suit best. Doing some parts shopping list and wondering what's best with the flexplate a 1 or 2 piece? I'm assuming the 1 piece but if anyone's got any info lemme know. The one that was on the truck was 2 piece and got slightly bent after pulling the engine

Edit: nevermind I feel stupid, it was meaning a 1 or 2 piece rear seal, I've never done anything with a trans or the flexplate before so I had to relook at what I was looking at
 
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