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How about a slight tapping noise when at idle or in gear but only heard at lower rpms? No obvious shift problems or hesitation. Replaced flew plate a while back. Transmission came from a 98 surb. If that matters. Still a 4l60e. Truck is 96 sierra 5.7. Should I have made a necessary Modification? Not I think one should been made?

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Before guessing at transmission problems, check the fluid level (car warmed up, engine running in Park on level ground) and have the PCM scanned for trouble codes FIRST. This guide is meant for problems that do not show up as PCM codes (like shift A&B solenoid failures, for example).

NOTE:The transmission is on the same fuse as the MAF, O2 sensors and at least one other sensor - if an O2 shorts out, it will blow the fuse and the trans will go into limp-home mode. Be sure the trans has power and the fuse is not blown before doing anything else.

Also note that many problems that show up as transmission issues are actually PCM or electrical, and may be external to the transmission. Try a different PCM, and check for chafing where the cables come out of the PCM.

Secondly, put a line pressure gauge ($55 shipped on Ebay, or visit a local trans shop) on the pressure test port and go for a drive to verify proper line pressure. Base pressure at idle in P,N,OD should be around 70psi and around 140psi in R. Max line pressure should be at least 190psi at WOT in 1st or 2nd, 225psi is optimum. If base pressure is low, trans or pump is worn out. If max pressure is low, check EPC solenoid. If reverse is slow to engage, and line pressure does not come up to at least 130psi in reverse, replace the boost valve with a Transgo 0.500" boost valve (easy fix in pan).

Beware of coolant contamination - coolant will cause clutch packs to delaminate and thus cost you a rebuild! Trans fluid eats radiator hoses! If you find any sign of cross contamination, fix the problem and thoroughly flush both systems IMMEDIATELY.

What is "limp-home mode" ? This is a fault mode in which the transmission either loses electrical power or the PCM deactivates all of the electronics. The transmission will default to max line pressure. The driver will have Reverse and 3rd, with manual 2nd available by putting the gearshift in 2 or 1 (doesn't matter). 1st, 4th, and TCC lockup will not be available. It will not hurt the car to drive it like this for short periods, but use manual 2nd to get the car moving, and be aware that the trans will generate more heat than normal while operating in limp-home mode due to increased torque converter slippage during 2nd gear starts and no lockup in 3rd gear.

R&R = Remove & Repair (or Rebuild) = Transmission must be removed to fix the problem and may have to be rebuilt or replaced.

Common failures on 4L60E, symptom < cause > any possible repair:
1. Slow, slipping or no reverse: “lo-reverse” clutches are worn out, fluid leak in the reverse apply circuit, or broken sunshell. It is possible to remedy a fluid problem by removing the checkball from its cage in the case in the rear of the trans may help (must remove valvebody), or adding a high-viscosity additive such as Lucas Transmission additive or other seal restorer product. May also have worn boost valve (can replace in the pan).
2. 1-2 shift does not happen at WOT until you let off the gas: Best case: try replacing the TPS. Middle case: leak in the 2nd gear apply circuit (servo assembly or 1-2 accumulator). Doublecheck by using the pressure gauge and watch for a big drop when the PCM commands 2nd gear. Worst case: poor line pressure rise (see below).
3. 1-2 Shift shudder at WOT; delayed or abnormal 1-2 shift; There's a problem ONLY on the 1-2 shift: 1-2 accumulator piston cracked or stuck cocked in the bore. Check the yellow spring inside the accum housing for breakage. Also, if the accumulator housing walls are scored, the housing must be replaced. Easy fix in the pan.
4. 1-2 shift is delayed and harsh, may not shift into OD: Check TPS for smooth and linear electrical response over the entire range of motion. If not, replace.
5. Trans does not upshift out of first, speedometer reads zero at all times: VSS failure. Easy fix on rear of transmission, but xmember must come out to access VSS.
6. No 3rd or 4th gear: “3-4” clutches are worn out. R&R. The car is safe to drive (in 2) until you can get it fixed.
7. Sudden grinding noise with no prior warning primarily in 2nd gear, behavior in reverse may be abnormal; sunshell is fractured. R&R. Try not to run or drive the car or further damage could result.
8. 1st and 3rd only, no 2,4 or R; sunshell is fractured or splines are sheared off. R&R. Try not to run or drive the car or further damage could result.
9. No 2nd or 4th gear. 2-4 band is slipping. Servo seals may be damaged (can be fixed without removing trans. Otherwise, 2-4 band is worn out. R&R.
10. Trans shifts into gear harshly, car feels sluggish off the line, No 1st, 4th or TCC lockup available, Manual 2nd, 3rd and Reverse are only available gears, CEL is on: Transmision is either in limp-home mode or has lost electrical power. If there are lots of error codes in the PCM, check the underhood fuse that powers the transmission, and if it pops again, look for a short in that circuit like an O2 sensor harness touching exhaust. Otherwise, check PCM codes for a particular fault in the transmission causing the PCM to put it in limp-home mode.
11. No 1st or 4th available; trans shifts 2nd to 3rd by itself in D or OD and locks the converter : ShiftA solenoid failed. Easy fix in the pan. Or a wiring problem from PCM to trans.. or PCM.
12. Car goes into gear but feels very sluggish like the brakes are dragging, but it will roll easily (starts out in 4th gear), you manually shift to 2 to get it moving, once it's moving you put it back in OD and the car shifts 3rd to 4th on its own and locks the converter at the appropriate time: ShiftB solenoid failed: Easy fix in the pan. Or a wiring problem from PCM to trans.. or PCM.
13. No TCC lockup: Brake pedal switches improperly adjusted (always on), TCC solenoid failed (easy fix in the pan), TCC clutch worn out (must remove trans and replace TC).
14. TCC always locked: TCC apply solenoid circuit shorted to ground, TCC solenoid blockage (easy fix in pan), or TC broken (must remove trans and replace TC).
15. Horrible noise in 4th and feels like the brakes are on: overrun clutches are applying due to a cracked or leaking forward piston. Overrun clutches will be worn out after 30 seconds of this behavior. Car can be safely driven in D. R&R.
16. Soft shifting, gradual performance degradation: Poor line pressure rise due to leaking boost valve, clogged EPC filter screen, failing EPC solenoid, or worst case: leaky seals throughout. Transgo HD2-C kit fixes first two without removing trans. Seal restorer may fix last problem, but probably R&R. Also try a transmission flush with BG brand products (Firestone stocks it).
17. No forward movement in OD or D, but L2, L1 and R work: Forward sprag is broken. R&R. Try not to run or drive the car or further damage could result.
18. Extremely harsh shifts from P or N, normal shifts at WOT: EPC (Electronic Pressure Control) solenoid failed. Easy fix in pan. Fix as soon as possible or hard parts will eventually break.
19. Loud bang, grinding sound, loss of all gears, and a binding driveshaft: snapped output shaft. Try to wiggle driveshaft - if more than 0.020" play, that's the sign. R&R.
20. Trans seems noisy when moving in 1st and Reverse, noise goes away instantly if you shift to N or the trans goes into 3rd gear: Reaction planetary is worn out due to high miles or insufficient lubrication. Not a critical failure, but not a good sign either. R&R sooner rather than later.
21. No movement in any gear: pump failure, or total loss of fluid. R&R, or refill pan and find the leak. If out of fluid, avoid running the engine until the trans is refilled to avoid pump damage. To check for pump failure, check fluid level with the engine off, then start the engine and recheck fluid level. If level does not go down when engine is running, the pump is broken.
22. Transmission does not shift automatically, only manually. Swap in a known-good PCM, check wiring, check other sensors such as VSS and TPS.
23. 3rd gear starts, can manually shift through all gears. When car has been turned off for a bit, then back on it will run normally.: VSS dropoff w/ Hi-stall converter. The rpms are too high, but VSS is showing no movement. Happens after a tire burning take-off. Doesn't store a code, will not throw a CEL (I've heard that it will store a code if it happens 3 or more times). Cure: Reprogram PCM for VSS dropoff -- PCMforLess knows about it.
24. Fluid leak out of the front of trans where the converter connects; partial or full loss of movement: Front pump bushing walked out. R&R. May have to replace converter also if hub is scored. Note that a leaking front seal usually means the bushing is walking out (i.e. call your local trans shop and schedule an appt.).
25. Torque converter shudder in 4th while lockup is engaged; problem goes away when the brake pedal is pressed slightly to unlock converter. Have a shop verify line pressure, and provided no valves in the TCC hydraulic circuit are worn, replace the torque converter. Also, Lubegard Shudder Fix will at least fix this for awhile. Or try a transmission flush by a shop that uses BG brand products.
26. Shift suddenly become very hard. When going from park to either reverse or drive it slams into gear. 1-2 and 2-3 shifts are also harsh. All gears seems to work. Problem may be intermittent: Check TPS for smooth electrical response. If the response is jumpy or erratic at all, replace TPS.
27. All fluid pumped out through the vent tube: Plugged cooler line. Flush the transmission cooler and cooler lines. Also could be overfiled transmission.
28. Car acts like it's in OD in neutral, car is locked stationary in R, engine feels loaded in P, all four forward positions work fine: R&R: Internal crossleak feeding the forward clutches all the time. Most likely a cracked input housing, or cracked forward piston means forward clutches are fused together. Car can safely be driven gently in forward gears until the repair.
29. Needle bearings in the pan, first gear and/or reverse may be noisy: Either a torrington bearing or a planetary bearing is on its way out. Trans will eventually die a loud, catastrophic death. Cheaper to rebuild now (saves further damage to hard parts), but requires R&R. It is drivable until it breaks.
30. 1-2 or 2-3 shift is slow/soft above part throttle: Trans is on its way out. R&R.
Can i use a 98 4l06-E in a 94 boath same motor same liters
 

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I have a bad extension housing to transfer case gasket that's needing to be replaced so that's on the to-do, but I've noticed an ATF leak at the gasket. I'm curious if it's normal for some ATF to be in the extension housing between the transmission and transfer case and if so what is the flow cycle for the fluid? Does some bleed into the housing and drain back into the transmission through the small hole at the rear of the 4L60E?

Also, since I haven't seen a part number for this elsewhere on the forum and some people seem to think it's a dealer only item I've found two places that readily have the gasket for less than $4. O'Reilly and RockAuto both have the gasket and it's a Pioneer part number 749295 (5-bolt t-case) and 749296 (6-bolt t-case).
 

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I have a bad extension housing to transfer case gasket that's needing to be replaced so that's on the to-do, but I've noticed an ATF leak at the gasket. I'm curious if it's normal for some ATF to be in the extension housing between the transmission and transfer case and if so what is the flow cycle for the fluid? Does some bleed into the housing and drain back into the transmission through the small hole at the rear of the 4L60E?

Also, since I haven't seen a part number for this elsewhere on the forum and some people seem to think it's a dealer only item I've found two places that readily have the gasket for less than $4. O'Reilly and RockAuto both have the gasket and it's a Pioneer part number 749295 (5-bolt t-case) and 749296 (6-bolt t-case).

Yes, yes....and the gaskets you mention are two totally different gaskets. No they are not dealer only gaskets, but be sure to get the right one for your app.
 

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97 Suburban 4L60E Just had the transmission R&R'd and everything is great except for 1-2 Shutter only when at operating temp and its pretty seldom. Also I notice on a hot day the trans likes to run about 220F in town and about 200 hwy. I did install a trans cooler as-well, I'm thinking of going with a deep trans pan. thanks for any help!
 

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Yes, yes....and the gaskets you mention are two totally different gaskets. No they are not dealer only gaskets, but be sure to get the right one for your app.

Thanks!

I have the proper gasket, just wanted to share the part number for both options depending on everyone's trucks. :)
 

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Can i use a 98 4l06-E in a 94 boath same motor same liters

I have a 94 that acts like the limp mode symptoms. I just had engine trouble and replaced the map sensor and then the o2 sensor. It runs in limp mode , but I have to manually shift it. I had a code 81 but it went away.
 

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I have a 94 GMC automatic. It appears to be in limp mode. I have code 81. I have 3rd gear and manual 2nd when I manually shift it to first or second. Is the PCM the box attached to the master brake cylinder? The fluid looks clean, but it was overfilled. I pumped out the excess fluid. The code 81 is 2-3 shift solenoid. Should I replace all the solenoids and filter?
 

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I have a 94 GMC automatic. It appears to be in limp mode. I have code 81. I have 3rd gear and manual 2nd when I manually shift it to first or second. Is the PCM the box attached to the master brake cylinder? The fluid looks clean, but it was overfilled. I pumped out the excess fluid. The code 81 is 2-3 shift solenoid. Should I replace all the solenoids and filter?
Years close to yours had problems with the ignition switch, power goes through the switch then to the transmission. Drive it and wiggle the key switch and see if it will shift. If it does then replace the switch, of coarse it could be so worn that it won't supply power, then look at the fuses under the hood and in the dash to see if anything is blown...even if it doesn't have anything to do with the transmission. After that the problem still persists then unplug the transmission and with the key on see if pin E has power going to it. If not check for cut wires or supply power to that wire using a keyed power source , just make sure it is pin E and cut the wire so it doesn't ground if it was cut somewhere.
Google 4l60e plug pin E , that will be easier to understand.
 

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I haven't read every post in here but putting in a few things .
NEVER EVER USE A MONSTER SUNSHELL. I have built many 700r4 and 4l60e transmissions and the only ones that have came back with broken sunshells are the monster ones, even a 2wd tahoe backing out of a driveway broke a monster. Just make sure the one you get is heat treated and updated...pretty much all are now.
If making some power either don't go above 2500 stall or get a billet pump rotor, stock rotors are made of pressed metal powder and not strong
You don't need a 5 pinion rear planet, just make 2 1/8th slots about 1/8th down in the sungear on the side that goes in the rear planet , this allows for far better lubrication
Kevlar is great for racing....nothing else
IN MY OPINION Borgwarner high energy clutches are the best for the money and really only need them in the 3-4 clutch pack, almost anything else in the other packs will last as long as you keep fluid in the transmission
RUN A TRANSMISSION COOLER , heat is the number 1 killer of transmissions , bottom port is out and should go to the radiator, out to the cooler , in to the top port.
Always put in a new bigger boost valve, you may not see it but there could be slack and you will notice sluggish reverse if there is.
About to upset people....Never use synthetic fluid, the molecules are smaller and could leak past seals. It's all about pressure.
700r4 and early 4l60e, never reuse the 3-4 apply piston, throw it away and get a bonded steel piston, more fluid real estate and doesn't crack.
Use the late model 3-4 apply plate
Always put a valve body plate fix plug in the second feed hole, you will notice it is worn more than any other and a stuck checkball isn't good .
 
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