Really wish ppl would stop bringing me trucks with hydraulic fluid in trans

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Yeah, man. I know. I've been in the biz for >30 years and people have been telling themselves their own "Lube engineer" stories for all of that time....and then some. I "get it".

Note: I'm pretty sure that that I didn't make any claims about Rotella (or any oil), and "major engine failures"....if I did, please quote where I did that so I can hurry and go fix it, would you? Thanks, Bud.
Rotella T4 15-40 "Diesel" oil is actually rated for both gasoline and diesel engines... so again, you are kindof shooting yourself in the foot with the generalizations.

It seems to be hit or miss on their labeling, but they have definitely carried both a Diesel C category rating and both a SM(about a decade ago) and an SN rating more recently. I think they don't always have it on the label in an attempt to get more people to buy the more expensive T6... but it is definitely formulated and rated for both.
https://www.api.org/products-and-se...d-classifications/oil-categories#tab-gasoline

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Rotella T4 15-40 "Diesel" oil is actually rated for both gasoline and diesel engines... so again, you are kindof shooting yourself in the foot with the generalizations.

It seems to be hit or miss on their labeling, but they have definitely carried both a Diesel C category rating and both a SM(about a decade ago) and an SN rating more recently. I think they don't always have it on the label in an attempt to get more people to buy the more expensive T6... but it is definitely formulated and rated for both.
https://www.api.org/products-and-se...d-classifications/oil-categories#tab-gasoline

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Ah crap! Are we really trying to drag this thread back onto the rails?
 

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Please keep your responses on topic, we are currently talking about powdered versions of products usually associated with liquid. :p


I think @Scooterwrench mentioned it earlier, about motorcycles using engine oil in transmissions, maybe the same thought process in the Allison. As it is specd’ in the manual, I run 20-w50 (?) in all three holes on my Harley. Same synthetic fluid.

Anyone have first hand experience with powdered wood (saw dust) in a transmission?
Walnut shell dust in the case left over from a cleaning performed under depot level maintenance caused an oil blockage that resulted in a Chinook coming apart and killing the 46 service members onboard during an airshow in Germany in 1982.
https://www.chinook-helicopter.com/history/aircraft/C_Models/74-22292/74-22292.html

Sometime in the previous century, I was involved with Allison transmissions; specifically, cramming them, the engine, the radiator, and various accessories into the back of City Buses, initial-filling them with fluid, and doing initial fire-up of the powertrain package. Then topping-off the fluid levels after the powertrain stabilized.

My head about exploded when one of our customers demanded we use 15W-40 engine oil in the transmission.

Turns out that Allison considered this perfectly acceptable. I'd have never guessed.

Kinda made me want to dump some TH400 lip-seals in engine oil to see if they would swell-up. Never followed through, though.

Another customer demanded a different kind of trans fluid other than the Dexron III-H that 95% of the buses got. This stuff was dyed red like trans fluid, but was thick like that 15W-40 engine oil. I don't remember what that fluid was called, or who made it. MAYBE this was the Allison "C-4" hydraulic fluid spec; which I guess is 10-weight. Most searches of C-4 trans fluid end up leading to Ford C4 transmissions. But a search of C-4 hydraulic fluid gets to the stuff I'm maybe thinking of.
Some of the Mine resistant vehicles run Cat C-7 engines with Allison 6 speed transmissions in them. Everything gets 15-40 from a big 50 gallon drum. Never seen a transmission on one of those fail, but we did have occasions where the sand grit in the engine oil would clog up the HEUI injectors and they would need to get replaced. It was usually because the marines weren't very good about putting the caps back on the drums.

Side note.. the three speed transmissions on the M1 Abrams and M88 take about 30 gallons of straight 30 weight oil. It gets changed every once in a while(usually during annual maintenance) and usually looks like someone dropped 5 lbs of glitter in it. Never seen one of those fail either.
 

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I'm late to the party, but Bagged milk is actually way better than stuff in the jug!

It is locally sourced, has a longer expiration date and ACTUALLY lasts longer because you take the air head-space out of the bag when you squish it down to reseal it in the reusable plastic jug.

Powdered Milk is great for long-term prep or if you don't use milk very often and just need a few cups here or there for recipes.
 

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Please keep your responses on topic, we are currently talking about powdered versions of products usually associated with liquid. :p


I think @Scooterwrench mentioned it earlier, about motorcycles using engine oil in transmissions, maybe the same thought process in the Allison. As it is specd’ in the manual, I run 20-w50 (?) in all three holes on my Harley. Same synthetic fluid.
Willy G has his head firmly up his a$$ on this. The so called 20w-50 "motorcycle" oil has friction modifiers in it for use in the primary which makes it unsuitable for the engine. It's too heavy for the primary which is why your transmission clunks so hard going into gear from neutral. It's too light for the tranny which is why your tranny clunks so hard when shifting gears. Put any non-motorcycle 20w-50 you prefer in your engine,non-detergent 30w in the primary and 75w-90 in your tranny. These are the oils I run in my bike and it has 85,000 miles on it and the only reason I've ever been into it was to put a six speed kit in the tranny.
Anyone have first hand experience with powdered wood (saw dust) in a transmission?
Think it's as good as antiseize?
 
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