Head Swap Options For 5.7L 350 TBI Engine

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Mexican Vortecs with the redesign to be less crackprone maybe, but original Vortec stockers are better at 3000 rpms and up easily and only lose torque off idle.
ALL vortecs lose torque to a TBI head under ~4K. I have worked on numerous dozens of examples of both the TBIs and L31s both stock and modified. On just about any combo the TBI heads will have better torque to 4,000-4,500, then the vortecs pull ahead. The TBI heads burn the air/fuel much more quickly.
 

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Ya that's why GM rated TBI's as 310 tq @ 2400 rpms and Vortecs as 330 tq @ 2800 rpms.
As an owner of both a 94 and 98 xcab 350/AT/3.42s I concur GM got it right.
Except it took GM a better flowing intake manifold, better exhaust system, dual monolithic cats in place of the pellet box, sequential fuel injection and a roller cam, giving a higher dynamic compression ratio to get to those factory ratings. That is not even close to an apples to apples comparison of the cylinder heads themself. Compare changing only the heads and it is a vastly differenr story. The Vortec roller cam alone is worth probably 20-30 ft/lbs over the flat tappet in the TBI. In fact I have run a L31 bottom end with TBI heads and still made right at 300 hp and close to 400 ft/lbs with headers, factory GM dual plane manifold and a Q-Jet.
 

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Just a reminder, I'm already running an aftermarket exhaust. I have shorty tube headers running to true duals with an X-pipe crossover.

I understand that the TBI heads provide more torque at lower RPM than Vortec heads, but the thing I keep coming back to is something someone posted somewhere once to simplify engines: it's just a big air pump, so for more power you want to be able to pull in more air and be able to push out more air. I have the capacity to push out more air now with my upgraded exhaust, so I just need to be able to get more air into it to take advantage of that.

I am trying to follow along, but there's a lot of conflicting opinions across the internet at large when it comes to TBI heads. For that matter, Googling any head I've found for sale turns up a bunch of results about how bad that head is. Either Chevy has never made a truly good 350 head, or every single head has it's own group of vocal haters. For years I've always heard that TBI heads are the most consitrictive head you can run, as they were designed around late 80s environmental restrictions rather than giving you the full potential of your engine. This is actually the first time I've seen the consensus in the other direction, defending TBI heads as a superior option. That's not me arguing against anyone's points here, I'm still way too much of a noob to these things to argue that anyone is wrong. In fact, all of the points I've seen in defense of the TBI heads sound like great advice. It just has me on the fence.

While I was trying to learn about the advantages/disadvantages to flat tappet vs. roller cams, I came across some threads on Camaro and F-body forums that seem to indicate swapping LT1 roller cam setups into TBI blocks with roller provisions is a somewhat known modification. Using a factory LT1 roller cam supposedly is a good balance that isn't much more aggressive than our factory flat tappet, which allows it to play nice with TBI/TPI systems. Since I'm now stuck with this spare LT1 block, I'm thinking about stealing the cam/lifters/rockers/retainer rail/etc. and using it in my build if I find out my block does have roller provisions. The caveat I read on that is that the TBI heads don't have enough flow to take advantage of it, but swapping to Vortec heads makes for a good match. That has me kinda reconsidering going the Vortec route, especially the more I've read through the Vortec swap thread to understand the process better.
 

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Ya @L31MaxExpress the vortec 350 has slightly better cam and exhaust but the heads are by far the biggest improvement, it's why so many TBI owners put Vortec heads on their trucks and none complain about having less tq to 4000 rpms.
 

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Ya @L31MaxExpress the vortec 350 has slightly better cam and exhaust but the heads are by far the biggest improvement, it's why so many TBI owners put Vortec heads on their trucks and none complain about having less tq to 4000 rpms.
Except I have done the actual testing numerous times with the same result. The Vortec heads were not where the added torque came from, they actually cost peak torque. Plain and simple. ALL of the torque improvement is the intake, exhaust and cam. Even stock L98 heads made more torque than the Vortecs.
 

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This engine has the wrong headers and intake manifold to show the best torque numbers, but it is a stock TBI 350 upgraded to a L31 roller cam. 282 hp is in the same ball park as the stock L31s that Richard Holdener has carbureted. I think he had one that made 300-310 hp with upgraded valve springs, the one he blew up on wheel of death draining the oil at WOT, but the others are typically in the 280s and 290s, yet the TBI heads here are making equal power. So I will say it once again, the TBI heads are overhyped when it comes to power increase claims on a stock TBI. They make at most 15 hp more at ~5,000 rpm and lose torque, quite a bit actually under 4,000 rpm and it takes 4,500 rpm before the vortecs make more torque.

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Just a reminder, I'm already running an aftermarket exhaust. I have shorty tube headers running to true duals with an X-pipe crossover.

I understand that the TBI heads provide more torque at lower RPM than Vortec heads, but the thing I keep coming back to is something someone posted somewhere once to simplify engines: it's just a big air pump, so for more power you want to be able to pull in more air and be able to push out more air. I have the capacity to push out more air now with my upgraded exhaust, so I just need to be able to get more air into it to take advantage of that.

I am trying to follow along, but there's a lot of conflicting opinions across the internet at large when it comes to TBI heads. For that matter, Googling any head I've found for sale turns up a bunch of results about how bad that head is. Either Chevy has never made a truly good 350 head, or every single head has it's own group of vocal haters. For years I've always heard that TBI heads are the most consitrictive head you can run, as they were designed around late 80s environmental restrictions rather than giving you the full potential of your engine. This is actually the first time I've seen the consensus in the other direction, defending TBI heads as a superior option. That's not me arguing against anyone's points here, I'm still way too much of a noob to these things to argue that anyone is wrong. In fact, all of the points I've seen in defense of the TBI heads sound like great advice. It just has me on the fence.

While I was trying to learn about the advantages/disadvantages to flat tappet vs. roller cams, I came across some threads on Camaro and F-body forums that seem to indicate swapping LT1 roller cam setups into TBI blocks with roller provisions is a somewhat known modification. Using a factory LT1 roller cam supposedly is a good balance that isn't much more aggressive than our factory flat tappet, which allows it to play nice with TBI/TPI systems. Since I'm now stuck with this spare LT1 block, I'm thinking about stealing the cam/lifters/rockers/retainer rail/etc. and using it in my build if I find out my block does have roller provisions. The caveat I read on that is that the TBI heads don't have enough flow to take advantage of it, but swapping to Vortec heads makes for a good match. That has me kinda reconsidering going the Vortec route, especially the more I've read through the Vortec swap thread to understand the process better.
sounds like you need to put a serious number on budget and see how far that will get you. 15+ years ago finding a set of somewhat decent vortecs was a non-issue, good luck now. you are better off going aftermarket and that's a whole new rabbit hole. L31MaxVortec has done ALOT more of this stuff than me, but I can tell you i have done a full 360* over the last 19 years of modifying this stuff. You are better off working with what you got. it will be more enjoyable than trying to make some "perfect" combination.this is not a cheap hobby and the "while i'm here" mentality will bite you hard financially & cause heartache.
 

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sounds like you need to put a serious number on budget and see how far that will get you. 15+ years ago finding a set of somewhat decent vortecs was a non-issue, good luck now. you are better off going aftermarket and that's a whole new rabbit hole. L31MaxVortec has done ALOT more of this stuff than me, but I can tell you i have done a full 360* over the last 19 years of modifying this stuff. You are better off working with what you got. it will be more enjoyable than trying to make some "perfect" combination.this is not a cheap hobby and the "while i'm here" mentality will bite you hard financially & cause heartache.
I wrote an article 10/12/2006 on TGO about building a budget TBI. At that time it was not uncommon to be able to buy the whole L31 350 vortec for under $500 that had less than 100K miles on it. GM still offered the 1996 LT4 production cam for $182 new. The LT4 springs and retainers were also dirt cheap new from GM. At that time it was the best budget way to get over 300 hp out of a TBI engine build and still be able to pass emissions in most areas. I swapped several lower mileage L31 spring sets and cams without even unbolting the heads. Just yanked the valve train, put air on the cylinder, pulled the springs and retainers, swapped the LT4 units on after fully seating the valve seals, swapped the cam and bolted it all back together. Those times have come and gone. Good luck even finding a pair of OE Vortecs that are not cracked. I had a buddy go through 3 or 4 pairs before he found 2 that were not cracked. He got them done and within a year or two both had cracked. Ended up buying a pair of Etec170s that I tried to talk him into in the 1st place. He had the money and budget but was stubbornly into trying to run the Vortecs because the internet said they were the best thing since sliced bread and butter. FWIW his truck is the one that gained 15 hp @ 5,000 rpm from Vortecs after all that work. I had already told him multiple times he was not going to see anywhere near the 40+ HP people were claiming from swapping to them. 15 hp was a swift kick in the you know what to him. When the heads cracked, he got input from me yet again on how to get more power, he actuslly listened the 2md time. Went with Etec170s, a Comp XM270HR, bored out the GM TBI manifold to 2" and put a 454 TBI on it. It gained 70 rwhp over the factory cam/vortec head configuration and 40 ft/lbs at peak with gains from the load in at 1,500 rpm. That setup made a little over 300 whp and 340 wtq. The GM manifold was holding it back atleast 30 hp compared to a victor 2bbl single plane but at the time the truck had to go through smog tests and pass a visual inspection.
 
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