Help with Carb on computer truck (now wont start at all)

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Supercharged111 is right, the factory pump is fine. Yes, it's rated for a certain flow rate at 50 psi or something, but it will not have any problems if you run a regulator and it only ever sees 7 psi. That actually reduces load on the pump, so it will probably live a really long life with low pressure. The pump will just be bypassing the extra fuel back to the tank which doesn't hurt anything.

I don't think swapping the regulator out will fix your problem if it's actually maintaining 7 psi outlet pressure, but it will prevent you from burning the fuel pump up by dead heading it like it's doing now.

It would be much more of a pain to switch to a TBI pump or an inline pump, and if I remember right the TBI pumps have a different sending unit lock ring setup anyway and don't interchange with the tank. I could be wrong though.

Got it on the fuel delivery. Thanks gearheadE30 and supercharged111

I regrounded my grounds in the engine compartment - added two that were missing (bat to frame and frame to firewall) and cleaned up the others. I need to work on under the dash next and check the ground by the OBDII port.

This weekend, I will reshoot the timing and adjust the carb and see where that gets me and report back for the next steps.
 

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I swapped a Vortec pump in place of my TBI pump, and it was plug-n-play, so I imagine you can put a TBI pump in your truck easily. Alternatively, with your current fuel pump you could use a fuel pressure regulator that runs a return line. https://www.summitracing.com/parts/hly-12-881 Note that I haven't put one of these FPRs on a high-pressure system and can't 100% assure you it'll work.
 

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I would start by verifying your timing. Base timing at idle with the vacuum disconnected and port plugged. Rev it up until it stops advancing (around 3000 RPM) and note the timing. Connect the vacuum advance and see how much timing it adds. Not sure how to check the amount of vacuum advance when using the ported vacuum port, I always use the manifold port, but that's a whole nother discussion. You can use a hand vacuum pump on the vacuum advance also to see how much it adds. On the old school SBC, you want about 36* all in (base + mechanical, no vacuum). I think this is different for the Vortec heads, but I am not positive.

I wonder if your spark plug gap is too large and can't handle the increased load. I think for HEI the gap is 0.045, but you might try closer to 0.035. I would stick with copper plugs also, none of that iridium or platinum.

You might be able to leave the timing light hooked up as you drive to verify if it stops sparking.

If you still have the original exhaust with oxygen sensors, you can read those. They operate on a 0-1 volt scale. You can connect them to a narrowband air fuel gauge or possibly use a multimeter. Since it sounds like the ECU is still hooked up, you might be able to read it off the OBD2 port. A wideband would be MUCH better, as they read more accurately over a wider range.

Not familiar with your carb. Might it be that it is fine on the primary bores, but has issues on the secondary bores? Is there a way to easily disable the secondaries and try to go WOT? Does it react the same if you slowly open the throttle vs quickly open the throttle?
 

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I wonder if your spark plug gap is too large and can't handle the increased load. I think for HEI the gap is 0.045, but you might try closer to 0.035.

That would be a good test to help home in on whether spark breakdown under load is the problem. Any improvement would be a signal that it is.
 
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Couple things...

the stock exhaust and O2 sensors are gone. it has 3" pipe with a Magnaflow hooked to manifolds... I know.. too wide of pipe and manifolds ugh... Why? PO owner did it. I plan to put in a wideband eventually but, I have other low hanging fruit for now.

I will check the plugs too... planned to do that before I re-time/tune

Since I got this truck (2 weeks ago) and drove it 2 hours across a mountain home (yes, you can do that on Hawaii island) and it was cutting out under load, my suspicion was always something to do with spark breakdown somehow... whether its the dizzy or computer... now that I know the computer is out of the loop, I can narrow it down.

I will get to it more this weekend when I have more time.

My drop spindles come in next week and I already have a complete Coil Over set up with step notch to go in it too.... lots of work coming up once I get it running good!
 
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I swapped a Vortec pump in place of my TBI pump, and it was plug-n-play, so I imagine you can put a TBI pump in your truck easily. Alternatively, with your current fuel pump you could use a fuel pressure regulator that runs a return line. https://www.summitracing.com/parts/hly-12-881 Note that I haven't put one of these FPRs on a high-pressure system and can't 100% assure you it'll work.

Erik, thanks. I can use the gauge port as a return line on my current Holley regulator. Just have to set it with the gauge then swap the return line in its place so, I will hit that later since it's doesn't seem to be a major issue contributing to the current problem. I am however gonna back the pressure down to 6.5psi from the current 7 just to eliminate carb overload.
 

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Erik, thanks. I can use the gauge port as a return line on my current Holley regulator. Just have to set it with the gauge then swap the return line in its place so, I will hit that later since it's doesn't seem to be a major issue contributing to the current problem. I am however gonna back the pressure down to 6.5psi from the current 7 just to eliminate carb overload.

I'm not entirely familiar with the type of regulator you have - but wont connecting the return line to the gauge port drop all pressure?
 

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I'm not entirely familiar with the type of regulator you have - but wont connecting the return line to the gauge port drop all pressure?

Not sure... I am not going to do it though... I will change it out with one made for return so I can run the gauge too.
 

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As another said, I'd look into your accelerator pump, the nozzle size, then carb jetting and lastly fuel level in the float bowls. If a carb'd car falls flat on it's face under load or at WOT, it's not getting enough fuel when it needs it. If there is enough fuel in the bowls, it shouldn't fall flat immediately when floored, but peter out over a few seconds.. Tuning is a big issue with carbs, most people think you just slap whatever CFM it needs on it and call it good. Nope. You can get lucky sometimes that way but it'll never be perfect.
 
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