Head Swap Options For 5.7L 350 TBI Engine

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Even if Edelbrock doesn't offer the chips themselves anymore, I wonder if someone in their support could provide the BIN they used so I could flash it myself.

They say it'll give you around a 30 LB/FT in torque gain.


That offer was only if you buy their cam, heads, and intake. Then, they'll throw in a chip.

Have you looked into an EBL?
www.dynamicefi.com/EBL_Flash.php
I had looked at that, but I'm not sure I'm ready to pull the trigger on that $400 price tag. It's unfortunate they don't have a cheaper option for the user to buy the hardware and mod it themselves, I should have the soldering skills and know-how to make any modifications they specify for the installation.

EDIT: Actually, it was a post you made in 2020 that inspired me to consider adding a ZIF socket and using 27SF512 EEPROM flash chips instead.
 
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This is going to be controversial, but I'm looking into possibly upgrading to an Edelbrock 3704 Performer TBI intake and retaining the TBI heads with it.
Good eye on the free chip thing! Since you've already upgraded the exhaust and will have the intake off, you could upgrade the cam pretty easily and still run the same heads. Unlike heads, cams aren't super expensive. If you put in an edlebrock cam they might have a chip that works with the intake/cam combo.

The intake alone won't add much, but it'll cure a warped intake. If the bores are bigger could could try the 454 injectors too.
 

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Well the other GM heads that are an easy swap are the TPI ones, but stock wise it is not much of an upgrade, but they have more potential.
I want to revisit this comment. I found a good deal on a used TPI long block, so my plans have changed to pick up that block, put together my build on that, and swap the engines. The actual TPI intake on the replacement engine is shot, so I would be sticking with my original TBI plan rather than digging into a full TPI swap. The engine was pulled from a 1993 Camaro. From what I understand, this should also open up new possibilities for a roller cam if my '95 block was one of the casts that only worked with flat tappet.

This should be a fairly simple question from what I've been reading, but are there any fitment issues I'll need to address in swapping TBI headers/intake/accessories onto TPI heads? One comment I found mentioned that GM themselves supposedly recommended the TPI heads as direct improved replacements for TBI heads, so I would take from that it should be a fairly straightfoward swap.
 
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I want to revisit this comment. I found a good deal on a used TPI long block, so my plans have changed to pick up that block, put together my build on that, and swap the engines. The actual TPI intake on the replacement engine is shot, so I would be sticking with my original TBI plan rather than digging into a full TPI swap. The engine was pulled from a 1993 Camaro. From what I understand, this should also open up new possibilities for a roller cam if my '95 block was one of the casts that only worked with flat tappet.

This should be a fairly simple question from what I've been reading, but are there any fitment issues I'll need to address in swapping TBI headers/intake/accessories onto TPI heads? One comment I found mentioned that GM themselves supposedly recommended the TPI heads as direct improved replacements for TBI heads, so I would take from that it should be a fairly straightfoward swap.
Sounds like a good plan but maybe a new post.
 

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Sounds like a good plan but maybe a new post.
It seemed pretty specific to head differences to me, that's why I kept it in this thread. I'll probably make a new thread when I start tearing into the engine upgrades, but I'm still on-topic about the differences between the TBI heads and the different heads I'm now planning to run instead.
 

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A 93 Camaro would be 4th gen and be an LT1 engine. 88-92 would be 3rd gen with the 350 roller cam TPI years.
I do think some mildly ported TPI heads with say 1.55 or 1.6 exhaust valves is a nice upgrade without having to change anything over.
 
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I picked up the TPI engine today, and I'll provide some numbers I found on it in case it helps figuring out what my options may be with building it up on my TBI system. I don't really know what I'm looking for to see what types of cams the block will support, but I did notice it has some kind of metal cover running along the inside of the valley.

Head Numbers: 10128374
Driver Side Cast Numbers: GM 5.7LG SGI E143
Forward Of Passenger Cylinder Head: V0521SAS
Stamped Driver Side, Near Transmission Mount: 1P2124330

EDIT: I read up on decoding these a bit and this is what I determined:

Build Date: 05/21/1993
Cast Date: 05/14/1993
Plant: Flint, Michigan
HP Rating: 275
Options: F, Manual, Oil Cooler

I don't have any experience with TPI at all, so I noticed a few things are different on this that I'm not sure how to adapt. One concerning difference I noticed is that these heads appear to have much different ports from the TBI heads. Primarily, they don't have any ports across the middle where I understand EGR is supposed to go, and it looks like the coolant passages are either missing or have pinholes instead of big square holes. Additionally, I noticed that the water pump had a completely different design, and there's an extra shaft that runs from the valley under the intake out through the timing cover. Are these heads able to adapt directly to a TBI intake's cooling system with the ports like this? I would assume this would involve an EGR delete, but I'm curious how the cooling system will work. I've included a pic comparison of the ports.

While I'm asking questions about TPI......what the heck did they cut off the back of this intake with a hacksaw, per the attached pic? I don't know what's supposed to be there, but I'm sure these nasty saw cuts sure ain't it.
 

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I picked up the TPI engine today, and I'll provide some numbers I found on it in case it helps figuring out what my options may be with building it up on my TBI system. I don't really know what I'm looking for to see what types of cams the block will support, but I did notice it has some kind of metal cover running along the inside of the valley.

Head Numbers: 10128374
Driver Side Cast Numbers: GM 5.7LG SGI E143
Forward Of Passenger Cylinder Head: V0521SAS
Stamped Driver Side, Near Transmission Mount: 1P2124330

EDIT: I read up on decoding these a bit and this is what I determined:

Build Date: 05/21/1993
Cast Date: 05/14/1993
Plant: Flint, Michigan
HP Rating: 275
Options: F, Manual, Oil Cooler

I don't have any experience with TPI at all, so I noticed a few things are different on this that I'm not sure how to adapt. One concerning difference I noticed is that these heads appear to have much different ports from the TBI heads. Primarily, they don't have any ports across the middle where I understand EGR is supposed to go, and it looks like the coolant passages are either missing or have pinholes instead of big square holes. Additionally, I noticed that the water pump had a completely different design, and there's an extra shaft that runs from the valley under the intake out through the timing cover. Are these heads able to adapt directly to a TBI intake's cooling system with the ports like this? I would assume this would involve an EGR delete, but I'm curious how the cooling system will work. I've included a pic comparison of the ports.

While I'm asking questions about TPI......what the heck did they cut off the back of this intake with a hacksaw, per the attached pic? I don't know what's supposed to be there, but I'm sure these nasty saw cuts sure ain't it.
That's not a tpi. That's lt1 reverse flow coolant. No distributor at back of intake. It's between water pump and timing cover. Those heads won't work
 
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