Adjustable proportioning valve for ABS Delete

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This is the same with hydro boost or vacuum booster? The crew cab has done this a few times, when we really had to slam on the brakes. Stopped fine, but I just figured the noise was the truck telling us,"I'll stop that quickly when you need me to, but I don't appreciate you trying to stand me on my nose"....
Yup. If the ABS is activating, it's because the speed sensors are unhappy; one or more of the tires are skidding so the ABS kicks in to get 'em rolling again.

That's all well and good, but the early 3 channel stuff is absolute garbage... ...But there's a special place in Hell for the early ABS systems, RWAL included.
RWAL is a very compromised ABS "solution". Realistically, it's a "variable proportioning valve", best used to compensate for loaded/unloaded brake performance on the rear wheels. When it works as designed--and that seems to be fairly rare due to A) air trapped in the system, B) parts/electronics failure, and/or C) shiitty 254mm rear brakes enormously out of adjustment--it's just as I described. Totally transparent until you need it; and then noisy/vibratey as it works to keep the truck controllable--back-end not sliding around. There's no fluid pump, so the brake pedal sinks as the RWAL cycles. Not optimum by a long shot.

There's a HEAP of RWAL-equipped trucks that stop better when crammed into 4WD than they stop in 2WD. Including my '88, for years and years after I got it in '97. (RWAL is disabled in 4WD.) But better braking when RWAL is disabled not "correct" operation. It's common, but not correct. There's something wrong with it, that hasn't been properly fixed.

The 3-channel systems are not so different from the ones you listed. In fact, that Envoy 4-channel unit is merely a development of the second-design 3-channel unit used on the GMT400; the difference being that the two rear wheels are controlled independently instead of together. But the "guts" of the system are related.

ABS in the earliest years was poorly marketed. They made it seem like ABS was intended to make "ordinary" drivers into threshold-braking expert race-car drivers. ABS wasn't able to threshold brake like a skilled driver for decades after it was first installed on passenger cars. Some (Me!) might argue it still can't threshold-brake like a top-flight driver. ABS is primarily intended to allow steering/directional control during panic braking by "average" drivers. Any improvement in stopping distance is welcome, but a secondary benefit, and most-applicable in practice in comparison to locked-wheel "idiot" drivers.

Having said all that...ABS as installed in the '90s GMT400s wasn't that bad. The main issue is that it didn't work right due to what were "fixable" problems; but they weren't "fixed" properly, or at all in many (most?) cases. The trucks developed a terrible reputation for "weak" brakes. It is--and was--a mistake to require scan tools to properly bleed ABS units. The things should have bleeder screws that ANY IDIOT can manipulate. Brakes need to be serviceable, and not just by "experts". But nobody asked me for permission to require scan tools for bleeding.

At this point, there's no source of new or rebuilt ABS units for GMT400s; all replacements are via Treasure-Yard "pick-and-hope". Pick one, remove it from the donor vehicle, and hope it works right when you install it in your truck.
 
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Yup. If the ABS is activating, it's because the speed sensors are unhappy; one or more of the tires are skidding so the ABS kicks in to get 'em rolling again.

There's a HEAP of RWAL-equipped trucks that stop better when crammed into 4WD than they stop in 2WD. Including my '88, for years and years after I got it in '97. (RWAL is disabled in 4WD.) But better braking when RWAL is disabled not "correct" operation. It's common, but not correct. There's something wrong with it, that hasn't been properly fixed.

The 3-channel systems are not so different from the ones you listed. In fact, that Envoy 4-channel unit is merely a development of the second-design 3-channel unit used on the GMT400; the difference being that the two rear wheels are controlled independently instead of together. But the "guts" of the system are related.

ABS in the earliest years was poorly marketed. They made it seem like ABS was intended to make "ordinary" drivers into threshold-braking expert race-car drivers. ABS wasn't able to threshold brake like a skilled driver for decades after it was first installed on passenger cars. Some (Me!) might argue it still can't threshold-brake like a top-flight driver. ABS is primarily intended to allow steering/directional control during panic braking by "average" drivers. Any improvement in stopping distance is welcome, but a secondary benefit, and most-applicable in practice in comparison to locked-wheel "idiot" drivers.

Having said all that...ABS as installed in the '90s GMT400s wasn't that bad.

I'm pretty sure the 3 channel in my 98 worked properly, but it the pedal turned to a rock and the truck stopped stopping. I guess the pedal turning to a rock is a bit of a moot point, it really felt like the brains running the pump were slow and poorly tuned. I think it would have stopped faster that day with the fronts locked and the (then) horrible rear brakes doing nothing. My dually will get another shot some day, it has a wheel speed sensor that's inop and I happen to have one on hand, but I'm expecting that to be even worse with its severe rear-heavy bias. Truck can be a handful empty. Come to think of it, the RWAL was less intrusive. I only got into it one day when a dirt road washed out. It definitely kept the truck going straight, but again rock hard pedal and I didn't like it. Maybe that's a me thing. All were transparent when a wheel wasn't slipping. Now where ABS can outperform a human is on an autox/road course. Of course I'd need to log the runs to quantify that statement. I autocrossed my Z06 and Camaro back to back on the same day. Where I could stand on the pedal in the Z06 and let the ABS keep me from locking the inner front wheel while trailbraking very aggressively the Camaro would want to lock that same wheel. No biggie, I've driven around that since I got the car in 2013. The eye opener was just how much trail braking force I give up to do that. All 4 wheels only get as much force as the weakest will tolerate, whereas on the Z06 they pretty much get what they'll take. Now that said, I pushed pretty deep and while the ABS was doing its thing still had to get out of and back into the brakes to keep from spinning the car, but my interaction with the ABS on the Z06 felt very natural. It would come on and turn off as needed. That day with my truck, no amount of dancing on the pedal would get the ABS to turn off. Not the pump's fault, rather the brain controlling it IMO.
 

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When I ditched the rear wheel ABS on my 94 I just reconnected the rear line back to the OEM proportioning valve , bled the brakes, and viola, everything worked fine. Rear wheels do not lock up before fronts in a hard panic stop. After reading through this, I think by adding a rear brake biasing valve, you are creating more of a problem than solving anything. The stock proportioning valve is designed for that rear stock brake setup. My recommendation would be to remove it, and hook up the lines to the stock proportioning valve. I'd snap a pic of mine for ya but it's currently dark out.
 

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Loving the discussion. I need to diagnose & fix the RWAL on my 92. I have a continuously lit park brake light on my dash which I suspect is a possible indicator of air trapped to the RWAL thingy next to the combination valve under the hood.

There is a way to check for brake codes via OBD1 port I believe and a associated diagnostic tree in the service manuals.

How does one bleed the RWAL unit on a 92? Pressure bleed by GM using the official OEM pressure bleeder unit...?

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Loving the discussion. I need to diagnose & fix the RWAL on my 92. I have a continuously lit park brake light on my dash which I suspect is a possible indicator of air trapped to the RWAL thingy next to the combination valve under the hood.

There is a way to check for brake codes via OBD1 port I believe and a associated diagnostic tree in the service manuals.

How does one bleed the RWAL unit on a 92? Pressure bleed by GM using the official OEM pressure bleeder unit...?

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I could swear the RWAL itself has a bleed port.
 

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My 94 did not have a bleed port. Remove that mess, hook the line back up to the prop valve. It threaded right in on mine, unplug and remove the computer box, and tuck the wires back in the firewall harness, and throw the RWAL valve, and black box right in the trash. This will solve a soft pedal, and park brake light being constant on.

I have owned this truck since new, and I always bled this truck every 3 years till I got clean fluid at all 4 corners. Trying to prevent brakeline rust out. Always used a midyvac and sucked it thru at all 4 corners, and never had any issues. If it's a soft low pedal and brakelight on and you suspect its the RWAL the valve inside the RWAL could be stuck. It a lot of cash for a replacement, and they are not something you rebuild.

Years ago I took a 2 hour road trip from Abilene to Arlington to Summit racing to pick up an AMD full floorpan for a barracuda project. Some ID10T stopped short in front of me, and I slammed on my brakes. That's when I got a soft pedal and brake warning light. I changed 2 master cylinders thinking mine was damaged, and the replacement was bad. Then I though about my buddy ditching the RWAL on his edge ram during a similar problem. I thought, what do I have to lose, the problem isnt fixed. So I removed it. Problem solved. I even cut off the little mounting tab that holds the RWAL junk on under the master cylinder. Much cleaner.
 

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I could swear the RWAL itself has a bleed port.
Cast-iron-bodied RWAL have a single bleeder screw. '87--'89, maybe?
Aluminum-bodied RWAL have no bleeder. ('90 (?)--end of RWAL)

Far as I know, GM, Ford, and Chrysler all used RWAL for a few model years, and they all got 'em from Kelsey-Hays. The electronics package that controlled 'em may--or may not--have been different, and it did change from model year to model year.

My 94 did not have a bleed port.
Yup. Aluminum RWAL. No bleeder screw. (Or did you have 4-wheel ABS, a 3-channel unit?)



...throw the RWAL valve, and black box right in the trash. This will solve a soft pedal, and park brake light being constant on... ...I always bled this truck every 3 years till I got clean fluid at all 4 corners. Trying to prevent brakeline rust out. Always used a midyvac and sucked it thru at all 4 corners, and never had any issues. If it's a soft low pedal and brakelight on and you suspect its the RWAL the valve inside the RWAL could be stuck.
In '94, (and--probably--any of the aluminum RWAL, although I haven't confirmed this; and ALL of the 4-wheel ABS units) you're supposed to use a scan tool to bleed the RWAL. (Page 5E40 of the '94 service manual.) No scan tool, air stays trapped in the unit, leading to a low, squishy brake pedal, lack of owner/operator confidence, and folks throwing stuff in the garbage when they'd maybe just need to bleed it CORRECTLY.

Yes, ABS units can fail. But the first thing I think of when dicking with ABS is to bleed the damned thing.
 
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Cast-iron-bodied RWAL have a single bleeder screw. '87--'89, maybe?
Aluminum-bodied RWAL have no bleeder. ('90 (?)--end of RWAL)

Far as I know, GM, Ford, and Chrysler all used RWAL for a few model years, and they all got 'em from Kelsey-Hays. The electronics package that controlled 'em may--or may not--have been different, and it did change from model year to model year.


Yup. Aluminum RWAL. No bleeder screw. (Or did you have 4-wheel ABS, a 3-channel unit?)




In '94, (and--probably--any of the aluminum RWAL, although I haven't confirmed this; and ALL of the 4-wheel ABS units) you're supposed to use a scan tool to bleed the RWAL. (Page 5E40 of the '94 service manual.) No scan tool, air stays trapped in the unit, leading to a low, squishy brake pedal, lack of owner/operator confidence, and folks throwing stuff in the garbage when they'd maybe just need to bleed it CORRECTLY.

Yes, ABS units can fail. But the first thing I think of when dicking with ABS is to bleed the damned thing.
Ford got their RABS and 4ABS from Kelsey hayes too
 

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Cast-iron-bodied RWAL have a single bleeder screw. '87--'89, maybe?
Aluminum-bodied RWAL have no bleeder. ('90 (?)--end of RWAL)

Far as I know, GM, Ford, and Chrysler all used RWAL for a few model years, and they all got 'em from Kelsey-Hays. The electronics package that controlled 'em may--or may not--have been different, and it did change from model year to model year.


Yup. Aluminum RWAL. No bleeder screw. (Or did you have 4-wheel ABS, a 3-channel unit?)




In '94, (and--probably--any of the aluminum RWAL, although I haven't confirmed this; and ALL of the 4-wheel ABS units) you're supposed to use a scan tool to bleed the RWAL. (Page 5E40 of the '94 service manual.) No scan tool, air stays trapped in the unit, leading to a low, squishy brake pedal, lack of owner/operator confidence, and folks throwing stuff in the garbage when they'd maybe just need to bleed it CORRECTLY.

Yes, ABS units can fail. But the first thing I think of when dicking with ABS is to bleed the damned thing.
Mine was RWAL. As stated I would vacuum bleed my brakes every 3 years to put fresh fluid in the system to prevent contaminated in the lines. Never had a failure issue in 25 years bleeding the brakes that way. In 1 panic stop situation the RWAL solenoid did its job, but internally jammed. Low soft pedal, and brake light was the result. I thought soft pedal it was the master cylinder. Changed it twice thinking the first replacement one was a bad one. I bled the brakes twice dealing with that. Removed the RWAL solenoid, and the brake pedal stopped being low and soft. Everything is fine and dandy now. I have no desire to put one of these back on the truck which is why I cut the section of the bracket off that held the black box, and solenoid. Lol
 
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