96 Suburban ABS Module - unfixable and unsure what to do

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I started getting an ABS light and everything points to a failed ABS module. I pulled it from the car and thought no big deal, someone out there can repair it.

Nope - apparently this is the Kelsey/Hayes 310 which I can't find a single person to touch internationally. Honestly I can't even seem to find a clear answer on how to buy it new if I wanted (though I'm sure the cost is obscene even if I could find it).

I figure someone here must have dealt with this. I have read about just pulling the fuse and letting the car not have ABS - but here in CA I'm not sure I'd ever be able to register the truck again if I went that route.

Pretty desperate - any help appreciated ...
 

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I ended up swapping mine with a functioning one as it appeared that it would be destroyed attempting to take it apart.

https://www.gmt400.com/threads/abs-dtc-c0221.52687/

@spitanddirt posted photos in the thread above, he may be able to give you some pointers if you want to attempt a repair.

I suspect that mine would have been a simple fix (cracked solder or something) had I been able to open it up.


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Before you go chucking the whole unit into the garbage, you need to get access to a high level scanner, be it a dealer Tech 2 or clone. I'm sure a Snap-on, Matco, or equivalent would work too.

You need to know if it's even capable of communicating and for our year, it's not CAN bus. That's why you need a different tool to read ABS codes, it's a completely separate communication protocol on a different set of wires located on the OBD2 DLC under instrument panel.

It could be that the problem lies OUTSIDE of the ABS. During POST(Power On Self Test), the unit is checking it's own memory, communication with the ECM and the presence of Wheel Speed Sensors. If any of these fail, the ABS light illuminates.

Here is something else that does cause the ABS light to come on: a stuck motor. The motor can be removed, two rivets need drilled, and the motor can be disassembled even further so you can clean out the buildup of dust caused by the motor brushes. After having started the engine and you begin to move more than 3-4mph, the ABS will cycle it's electric motor momentarily. If the motor doesn't cycle....yep, ABS light. This I know from personal experience. One day I didn't hear my ABS cycle and there was the light. The fix was a good motor cleaning and I haven't had a problem since. This was about a decade ago.

WARNING AND DISCLAIMER: removal and installation of the electric motor can be a bit tricky. Patience and small tools are mandatory to help push the pistons(of the hydro pumps)back in place to install the motor. Removing the upper control unit(super easy) while you remove or install the motor is mandatory. Don't say I didn't warn you.

I THINK I remember reading somewhere that if the BRAKE light is burnt out in the instrument cluster or if no bulb is sensed, the ABS light is turned on.

The point is that unless someone applied reverse polarity or if the voltage spiked well above 16volts(this is an estimate, not a actual spec), then it's not very likely that the control unit is damaged. I'm not saying yours isn't, but it's not very likely given what I have uncovered.

The lower electro-hydraulic portion, on the other hand, is near indestructible.....as long as rust from the lines is flushed away during regular bleeds. Rust particles can definitely affect the ability of the TWO hydraulic pumps to effectively do their job.

My dissection and analysis of my ABS unit is just a side project. Eventually, I'd like to learn how to communicate with it on a very basic level; not unlike a dealer tool, more powerful actually. I'd like the ability to change basic parameters and even study the algorithms they used to calculate when the unit activates. I just think it's impressive how much advanced technology for the mid 90's is packed into that unit.

My hope is that getting that deep into the firmware would illuminate the exact differences that are programmed for each GVWR and vehicle configuration. My truck is now 25 years old, how has someone not hacked into one of these things already? I guess it's more profitable to hack PCMs. :-/

Final thought and suggestion: do you have any other brake problems? Any problem that could cause the proportioning valve, where all the brake lines connect to the ABS, to activate it's switch?
 
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Wow - that last post is so over my head lol. I wonder if somewhere in Socal I can find someone that has a lot of knowledge in these ....

I have an ODBII reader but as I paid around $200 for it I'm only to assume it' snot "high level" - and I'm not sure if the independent shop I took it to that diagnosed the issue as the ABS module is quite this knowledgeable either.

Anyway, not aware of any other braking problems...
 

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I started getting an ABS light and everything points to a failed ABS module. I pulled it from the car and thought no big deal, someone out there can repair it.

Nope - apparently this is the Kelsey/Hayes 310 which I can't find a single person to touch internationally. Honestly I can't even seem to find a clear answer on how to buy it new if I wanted (though I'm sure the cost is obscene even if I could find it).

I figure someone here must have dealt with this. I have read about just pulling the fuse and letting the car not have ABS - but here in CA I'm not sure I'd ever be able to register the truck again if I went that route.

Pretty desperate - any help appreciated ...
I'm always an advocate of getting the hell out of Cali.
Pull fuse, drive across border to another state, never worry about ABS again.
Maybe some electrical tape on the instrument panel if the light annoys you.
 

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I started getting an ABS light and everything points to a failed ABS module. I pulled it from the car and thought no big deal, someone out there can repair it.

Nope - apparently this is the Kelsey/Hayes 310 which I can't find a single person to touch internationally. Honestly I can't even seem to find a clear answer on how to buy it new if I wanted (though I'm sure the cost is obscene even if I could find it).

I figure someone here must have dealt with this. I have read about just pulling the fuse and letting the car not have ABS - but here in CA I'm not sure I'd ever be able to register the truck again if I went that route.

Pretty desperate - any help appreciated ...
FYI first thing you wanna mention is Model/Year/Engine info so we know what you're working on. Someone here might be able to source your part for you, but not if we don't know what vehicle it's for.
 

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I started getting an ABS light and everything points to a failed ABS module. I pulled it from the car and thought no big deal, someone out there can repair it.

Nope - apparently this is the Kelsey/Hayes 310 which I can't find a single person to touch internationally. Honestly I can't even seem to find a clear answer on how to buy it new if I wanted (though I'm sure the cost is obscene even if I could find it).

I figure someone here must have dealt with this. I have read about just pulling the fuse and letting the car not have ABS - but here in CA I'm not sure I'd ever be able to register the truck again if I went that route.

Pretty desperate - any help appreciated ...
I'm doing a car-part.com search for ya, looks like they wanna know if its vacuum or hydro-boost system.

car-part.com is a national junkyard interchange search, it will allow you to search all wrecking yards that publish their inventory for just about any part on a particular vehicle. I use it all the time.

It looks like B&R autowrecking has a few trucks that have available ABS units , I'd give them a call.
 

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I started getting an ABS light and everything points to a failed ABS module.

Can you provide clarification on what you mean by "everything points to a failed ABS module" ?

What has been checked, what makes you suspect the ABS is at fault? What sorts of troubleshooting has already been accomplished? Do you have a factory manual? Have you followed the troubleshooting tree for the ABS?

Do you have any wiring modifications/repairs under the instrument panel? Aftermarket stereo, trailer brake controller, remote start, vehicle alarm? Do you have a PCM not original to the truck?

That lengthy post was an attempt at providing you other places to look for problems because I'm somewhat confident that your ABS module hasn't failed but that something else is to blame for the light coming on.
 
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Can you provide clarification on what you mean by "everything points to a failed ABS module" ?

What has been checked, what makes you suspect the ABS is at fault? What sorts of troubleshooting has already been accomplished? Do you have a factory manual? Have you followed the troubleshooting tree for the ABS?

Do you have any wiring modifications/repairs under the instrument panel? Aftermarket stereo, trailer brake controller, remote start, vehicle alarm? Do you have a PCM not original to the truck?

That lengthy post was an attempt at providing you other places to look for problems because I'm somewhat confident that your ABS module hasn't failed but that something else is to blame for the light coming on.

Well I say that but that's only because that's what the shop I took it to told me. I don't know what other than error codes led them to the conclusion my ABS module was bad - but that's what they said. I could press them harder on it for details but took them at their word.

I then took the module apart and sent it off for repair (it's since been returned to me) before I realized I didn't have the 325.

Let's see - I do have an aftermarket stereo, amplifier and vehicle alarm which came with the truck when I inherited it 8-9 years ago or so. I also have some aftermarket flood lights on the front of the car. Nothing else I can think of other than the car was plumbed for ham radio.
 
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