92 RWAL valve bleeding(Getting desperate now!)

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So the 92 k1500 brakes continue to challenge me! The background so far is after replacing the rear brake lines from the t piece to the wheel cylinders, I failed to block the line whilst waiting for parts and the MC ran dry of brake fluid. After bench bleeding a new MC and fitting it, the fronts bled up fine but the rears are still not letting fluid thru to the wheel cylinders as before. I am now moving on to the RWAL valve assembly but I see mine is the aluminum version with no bleed nipple so how on earth should these be bled? I also would like to ask whether the ignition should be on at all when bleeding the rears (solenoids?)
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Have the same system on my 88. It is a pain to bleed. I ended up using a pressure bleeder from Motive Products. Also after the first bleed went and found a gravel road and got the ABS to kick in. Repeated the bleed process and still found a little air in the system.
 

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Have the same system on my 88. It is a pain to bleed. I ended up using a pressure bleeder from Motive Products. Also after the first bleed went and found a gravel road and got the ABS to kick in. Repeated the bleed process and still found a little air in the system.
Hi, thanks for your reply. Which one did you go for from Motive?
 

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1. My experience, such as it is, is that the rear brake hose is likely to be plugged. My own personal vehicles have had 3 plugged hoses, and one that may have been restricted 'cause the brakes worked significantly better when the rear hose was replaced while doing other minor brake work.

2. I'm gonna have to dig up a service manual for a vehicle new enough to have the aluminum-body, no-bleeder-screw RWAL. I don't know what the proper bleeding procedure is for them. Current suspicion is to use a scan tool.

3. It's way more difficult and time-consuming to properly bench-bleed a master cylinder than most folks understand. Many master cylinders tend to be tipped with the front "up" when installed on the vehicle. This leads to air bubbles in the front of each piston that don't tend to go down-line and get bled-out at the wheels, but also don't get pushed into the master cylinder reservoir. They just stay in place and cause problems. Ideally, a master is bled with the front end tipped "down".

4. I got my ass handed to me a month or three ago. Guys were claiming that their safety-switch in the combination valve had slid to one side, BLOCKING FLUID FLOW. I told them that this was impossible. The safety switch doesn't block flow, and most GM switches are self-centering anyway (I've seen Ford switches that were not, had to be manually centered.) Naturally, having made the Grand Pronouncement, they then reported that their GM switch had to be manually centered, and when it was held there with the Special Tool, they got fluid flow to the rear brakes. Truthfully, I'm still scratching my head over that.

5. I have no use for "garden-sprayer" brake bleeders made popular by Motive; but sold by many other companies, some of them decades before Motive brought out their product line. A proper brake pressure bleeder has a rubber diaphragm to separate the compressed air from the brake fluid--to prevent the humidity in the air from contaminating the fluid. But those bleeder units also cost real money.
 

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1. My experience, such as it is, is that the rear brake hose is likely to be plugged. My own personal vehicles have had 3 plugged hoses, and one that may have been restricted 'cause the brakes worked significantly better when the rear hose was replaced while doing other minor brake work.
I didn't really consider the hose seeing as it worked ok beforehand but well worth checking!
2. I'm gonna have to dig up a service manual for a vehicle new enough to have the aluminum-body, no-bleeder-screw RWAL. I don't know what the proper bleeding procedure is for them. Current suspicion is to use a scan tool.

3. It's way more difficult and time-consuming to properly bench-bleed a master cylinder than most folks understand. Many master cylinders tend to be tipped with the front "up" when installed on the vehicle. This leads to air bubbles in the front of each piston that don't tend to go down-line and get bled-out at the wheels, but also don't get pushed into the master cylinder reservoir. They just stay in place and cause problems. Ideally, a master is bled with the front end tipped "down".
If I don't win, it will come off again to be rechecked unless I can raise the rear up significantly & check like that
4. I got my ass handed to me a month or three ago. Guys were claiming that their safety-switch in the combination valve had slid to one side, BLOCKING FLUID FLOW. I told them that this was impossible. The safety switch doesn't block flow, and most GM switches are self-centering anyway (I've seen Ford switches that were not, had to be manually centered.) Naturally, having made the Grand Pronouncement, they then reported that their GM switch had to be manually centered, and when it was held there with the Special Tool, they got fluid flow to the rear brakes. Truthfully, I'm still scratching my head over that.
Currently have one of those locking tools in place so hoping that isn't the case
5. I have no use for "garden-sprayer" brake bleeders made popular by Motive; but sold by many other companies, some of them decades before Motive brought out their product line. A proper brake pressure bleeder has a rubber diaphragm to separate the compressed air from the brake fluid--to prevent the humidity in the air from contaminating the fluid. But those bleeder units also cost real money.
Good advice!
Thanks a ton for thoughts on this Shurkey, appreciated!
 

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So a little update. Removed the RWAL assembly and plumbed in the rear line to the combination valve as has been done by many but still no fluid getting to the rear so can only be that rear flexible line mentioned by Shurkey. One has been ordered but it will take a least 7 days before arriving in Scotland from RockAuto so will carry on with plenty other jobs on the 'ol girl in the mean time!
 
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