1999 L31 Engine with nearly 260k, Timing chain plus what else?

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I agree with not messing with it, but if you do I suggest the Holley aluminum timing cover. And a note: there’s some folks here that experienced NOT needing to drop the oil pan to change the cover. I however was unsuccessful and had to drop the pan.


Then I had the engine rebuilt :p
 

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I agree with not messing with it, but if you do I suggest the Holley aluminum timing cover. And a note: there’s some folks here that experienced NOT needing to drop the oil pan to change the cover. I however was unsuccessful and had to drop the pan.


Then I had the engine rebuilt :p
I agree with this get rid of that plastic garbage one time use timing cover and get a metal one they come in 4 options plain with crank sensor plain with out crank sensor black with crank sensor and black with out crank sensor
 

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Just a heads up on the Holley cover- not sure if anyone else has experienced this, but it seems as if the aluminum cover acts as an amplifier for chain noise... Just buttoned an engine all back up and went with the Aluminum cover... you can hear every little rattle that chain makes with the holley cover. I tore back apart and changed chain set to be sure it wasnt too sloppy...new cloyes deflection was imperceptibly different to the 150k mile roller that was on it...and not a whole lot different than the last one I tore down. Thinking about going back with the plastic.

Edit- sounds like a metal rattle at idle... Removed drive belt and no change to noise. Checked inside of cover for witness marks and chain didnt appear to be hitting inside of cover.
 

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Just a heads up on the Holley cover- not sure if anyone else has experienced this, but it seems as if the aluminum cover acts as an amplifier for chain noise... Just buttoned an engine all back up and went with the Aluminum cover... you can hear every little rattle that chain makes with the holley cover. I tore back apart and changed chain set to be sure it wasnt too sloppy...new cloyes deflection was imperceptibly different to the 150k mile roller that was on it...and not a whole lot different than the last one I tore down. Thinking about going back with the plastic.

Edit- sounds like a metal rattle at idle... Removed drive belt and no change to noise. Checked inside of cover for witness marks and chain didnt appear to be hitting inside of cover.
that is strange I have only used the holley aluminum cover one time on my former friends engine did not notice any thing like that
 

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that is strange I have only used the holley aluminum cover one time on my former friends engine did not notice any thing like that
I thought it was weird too. Definitely chain noise I'm hearing. I put the silent-type back on it to see if it would help. Im waiting on gaskets to button it back up as I had to drop the pan to reinstall the cover. Tried three different timing sets on it and all were what I would consider sloppy. I'll report back if the silent type helped.
 

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I thought it was weird too. Definitely chain noise I'm hearing. I put the silent-type back on it to see if it would help. Im waiting on gaskets to button it back up as I had to drop the pan to reinstall the cover. Tried three different timing sets on it and all were what I would consider sloppy. I'll report back if the silent type helped.
I do not know if this could have any thing to do with it but he had just had the engine built at the time truck had shorty headers jegs off road y pipe with no cats and an dual 2.5 in single 3 out flowmaster super 44 that dumped just before the rear end maybe we just could not hear it over the exhaust
 

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My 1999 C1500 Sub runs great (well, for now lol) and is approaching 260 miles. L31 Vortec 5.7. Cylinder heads, new mpfi injectors, and lifters replaced a couple years ago. No knocking, oil kept changed, and I drive it hard, maybe 5k miles per year. Trans fluid swapped annually (pan drop, I have a drain on the pan).

Got a free new timing chain from a friend recently who had the same year truck and sold it.

I'm thinking about swapping the timing chain next time I do a coolant flush.

I like your thought process, for Preventive Maintenance now is preferable to being stuck on the side of the road
later, especially during precious vacation / family outing time.

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Here's a thought. I'm thinking that your L31 Vortec was built with a roller chain, and they can run a lot of miles
without developing excess stretch. (Assuming regular oil changes.) But before disturbing the status quo, how about we
(mis)use the 'CMP Ret' to first measure the amount of play between the front of the crank (CKP sensor) and
the distributor? (CMP sensor)

In English (assuming a healthy distributor & distributor gear) any change in the 'CMP Ret' reading will be the
direct result of play in the timing chain. The GM spec is no more than a 2° change from what you read at 1000 rpm
vs. 2000 rpm. I would expect on a fresh motor with a Cloyes chain that the CMP Ret reading wouldn't vary hardly
any from 1000-3000, and wouldn't be jumpy due to a worn timing chain allowing the cam to break into rotational harmonics
stimulated by the pulsating loads brought on by the torque needed to push those valve spring loaded lifters up their
respective bores by the cam lobe(s).

Well, maybe that previous paragraph wasn't in English? What I'm trying to describe is that instead of a steady resistance
to turning, the cam has some cam lobes resisting turning (due to valve springs being compressed by the opening ramps) ...while
at the same time there are other cam lobes actually trying to turn the cam forwards in the desired direction. (due to the valve
spring/lifter combo on the closing ramps)

All these torque pulses (in both directions) occurring during cam rotation is what causes worn timing chains to really 'flutter'
while spinning. (Note: Easily observed using a timing light to monitor ignition timing jumping around wildly while the engine is
held at a steady highway cruise rpm.)

Note that any back/forth movement of the camshaft is going to lead to 'spark scatter', superimposed upon the pulsations
already coming from the oil pump below. All these dynamic errors are easily seen if you put the CKP signal on Channel A of your scope
(and also trigger off of this) while putting the CMP signal on Channel B of your scope. Pretty boring dual trace display on a new,
close-tolerance engine, a lot more interesting on a tired engine with lots of miles on the clock.

But if you aren't a scope dope, then a scan tool that can show the 'CMP Ret' signal is the next best thing. And way easier to
check than it was to wade through all of the above. :0)

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One last thing. Others have already mentioned building up a spare L31 engine while you are still driving on this one.
This is definitely the way to go. A prudent owner of a high mileage truck would do this in order to maximize the
up time vs. down time. By having this ready to go ahead of time giving yourself the gift of a new, known-good
powerplant is a no-sweat 1 weekend affair along the lines of what EricTheAweful stated above.

And if you have a sincere appreciation for self-reliance in an uncertain future, once the truck is up and running on
the new motor, you promptly take that broken-in original motor and refresh *that* as well, and you then put it up
on the shelf as a ready to rock 'just in case' backup strategy.

Doing all of this under 'my DD is down' time constraints is a stressful grind & zero fun. But doing the above
before you need it? It's fun, and it also feels smart while doing so. FWIW, this is the direction that I'm headed in
myself.

But to pull this all together, if you have the inclination, why not have the computer tell you just how healthy your timing
chain is in order to help decide whether I should do this now vs down the road a ways?

FWIW --
 

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... put the CKP signal on Channel A of your scope
(and also trigger off of this) while putting the CMP signal on Channel B of your scope. Pretty boring dual trace display on a new,
close-tolerance engine, a lot more interesting on a tired engine with lots of miles on the clock.

You've done this? And saw the behavior you described?

Fascinating idea :waytogo:

I'll have to pull out the old Tektronics 475 and give this a whirl.
 
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