1998 350 - 454 Swap

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i have two trucks, both are 1998s. One is a 2500 ext cab and the other is a 3500 crew cab, both are 4x4 automatics. Thinking of swapping the engines between them, Vortec 454 and Vortec 350

I'd imagine it would be a pretty simple swap since the trucks are very similar other than the small/big blocks. I can only keep one truck and would like the big block crew cab combo.

Am i oversimplifying this and missing anything major?

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Only thing that comes to mind is the downpipes and exhaust. Where it connects to the engine has got to be different. Not sure if that front section is the same length, i.e. bolt on and go between the 2 of them. That's about all that's coming to mind. The 2500 is 8 lug, right?

Also, I want to hear more about the patch in your avatar.
 

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1. Do both trucks have the 4L80E? If not, you'll be swapping transmissions and driveshaft yokes, too. Even if they're both '80Es, you probably want to keep the big-block transmission/torque converter with the big-block engine. Are both transfer cases the same?

2. Does the Crew Cab truck have the 10.5" full-float rear axle? (Or bigger.) If not, you'll be swapping axles, too. (I think you're likely OK there.)

3. What radiators/coolers are in these trucks? You'd want the largest-available rad with the Tonner/big block. Look at the add-on trans and power steering coolers, oil cooler in driver's side rad tank, verify the oil cooler hoses aren't leaking. Does the big-block truck have an electric fan in front of the radiator? Mine does. Good time to flush the coolant on both vehicles, pull the block drains to remove sediment and old coolant, fresh serpentine belt, fresh PS fluid.

4. You'll be swapping--or reprogramming--the computers. Maybe the underhood wire harness, depending on how it fits the accessory drive and various engine sensors.

5. Do the A/C compressors mount in approximately the same positions? In other words, can you leave the A/C system pressurized, so that the A/C compressors stay with the vehicle? Or do you need to swap AC compressors, hoses, etc. also.

6. I bet the exhaust systems are radically different. The big-block truck probably has two catalytic converters; the small-block truck may not. I bet you'd need to swap everything in front of the muffler. Good time to screw-in four new O2 sensors. The EGR tube from exhaust manifold to intake manifold is not reproduced. DON'T screw that up.

7. No promises on the fuel plumbing. Maybe you'd need to swap the fuel supply and return tubes.

8. Pay some attention to the torsion bars. The big-block is going to add weight to the front-end. When the engine is out, perfect time to rebuild the front suspension/steering.
 

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1. Do both trucks have the 4L80E? If not, you'll be swapping transmissions and driveshaft yokes, too. Even if they're both '80Es, you probably want to keep the big-block transmission/torque converter with the big-block engine. Are both transfer cases the same?

1-ton is probably a Borg Warner

2. Does the Crew Cab truck have the 10.5" full-float rear axle? (Or bigger.) If not, you'll be swapping axles, too. (I think you're likely OK there.)

If 8-lug, I think they're the same-ish. The 1-ton likely has the JB8 brakes with slip off drums, and wider shoes.

3. What radiators/coolers are in these trucks? You'd want the largest-available rad with the Tonner/big block. Look at the add-on trans and power steering coolers, oil cooler in driver's side rad tank, verify the oil cooler hoses aren't leaking. Does the big-block truck have an electric fan in front of the radiator? Mine does. Good time to flush the coolant on both vehicles, pull the block drains to remove sediment and old coolant, fresh serpentine belt, fresh PS fluid.

I've always thought the 454 got the bigger radiator, but it's been suggested it's a GVW thing by someone recently. the 1-ton will have Hydrobbost, not sure about the 3/4.

5. Do the A/C compressors mount in approximately the same positions? In other words, can you leave the A/C system pressurized, so that the A/C compressors stay with the vehicle? Or do you need to swap AC compressors, hoses, etc. also.

Lay out is the same.

6. I bet the exhaust systems are radically different. The big-block truck probably has two catalytic converters; the small-block truck may not. I bet you'd need to swap everything in front of the muffler. Good time to screw-in four new O2 sensors. The EGR tube from exhaust manifold to intake manifold is not reproduced. DON'T screw that up.

It's my understanding (unverified) that the exhaust is actually a GVW thing, not an engine thing. Headpipe still could be different, I suppose.

7. No promises on the fuel plumbing. Maybe you'd need to swap the fuel supply and return tubes.

I think the plumbing is basically the same no matter the engine, they're all 1/4" vapor, 5/16 return, and 3/8" supply. Maybe the the lines that jump from the frame to intake are engine dependent?

8. Pay some attention to the torsion bars. The big-block is going to add weight to the front-end. When the engine is out, perfect time to rebuild the front suspension/steering.

Great idea. Also a good time to evaluate the front brake hardlines.
 

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Is the spider wiring going to swap over to the MPFI setup on the 454? The 454 does not use the same fan or fan shroud as the 350. The 454 lower shroud is NLA from GM and I am unaware of any aftermarket options. The upper radiator brackets are also different on the two engines. The radiator on the 454 is a full inch thicker than the 350. Check the gas tanks. You'll want the big tank with the big block.
 

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Is the spider wiring going to swap over to the MPFI setup on the 454? The 454 does not use the same fan or fan shroud as the 350. The 454 lower shroud is NLA from GM and I am unaware of any aftermarket options. The upper radiator brackets are also different on the two engines. The radiator on the 454 is a full inch thicker than the 350. Check the gas tanks. You'll want the big tank with the big block.

Disconnect engine harness at firewall. Harnesses stay with respective engines.

Fuel lines disconnect near the filter, both of them, so they swap right over.
Trannies and t-cases should stay with the vehicles, but torque converters should follow the engines.

Exhaust will be similar if both are 8 lug, only question is length of the front section for interchangeability.

Lots of other stuff that was brought up will easily swap back and forth. The beautiful thing here is that both are 98 and, it seems, perhaps both are 8 lug.
 

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Yep, just swap the engines (and torque converter) and ECU. Not sure on how to go about the wiring. Is the big injector plug the same for both engines? I've seen some SBC to BBC swaps and they mentioned elongation some sensor plugs. Or just swap engine wiring harness is another option.

The 3500 should have everything pretty much already beefed up, but if not, just swap it over from the BBC truck.
 

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Thanks for the replies guys.. sounds like it should be an easy swap.

Both trucks are 8 lug, 14bolt full floaters, 4.10 gears, 4x4, 4L80E, 2500 New Process push button / 3500 Borg Warner manual transfer cases, hydroboost, additional hd coolers. The exhaust looks similar even on the on the 350 truck.
 
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Thanks for the replies guys.. sounds like it should be an easy swap.

Both trucks are 8 lug, 14bolt full floaters, 4.10 gears, 4x4, 4L80E, 2500 New Process push button / 3500 Borg Warner manual transfer cases, hydroboost, additional hd coolers. The exhaust even looks similar even on the on the 350 truck.

I believe the pipe sizes are the same diameter, but I doubt the hookup to the manifolds are the same.
 
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