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I'm about to pick up a '92 K1500 with the L05, a manual, and 3.73 gears. The problem is I live up at about 9000 feet, and even at 5000 feet the engine isn't blowing off any doors or winning any tractor pulls. I'll be keeping it stock for a while and checking the engine for compression/leakdown/leaks, but I'm wondering about possible upgrade paths because that's what I do when it's too cold or dark to work on anything. Here are the options as I see them, and please remember that anything naturally aspirated (like a LS swap) you can take about 30% off the advertised horsepower and torque figures. I'm not looking for a race truck, just a solid utility truck for towing / hauling / driving in deep snow. I've got fun cars, I want this to be capable in a boring way. Any options will get at least a bit of work on the exhaust. A carb is a terrible idea because the car needs to work as well at 9000 feet in 10 degree temperatures as 5000 feet in 90 degree temperatures, and I'm not aware of any carburetor that will handle that.

Option 1: build the L05. Have the existing heads ported and polished because they apparently do well at low RPM, get a roller cam setup, do the standard throttle body mods, tune / get a tune.
Pros: The setup stays mostly original so it's easier to troubleshoot. No wiring / fitment concerns. This seems like one of the cheaper options but I could be wrong.
Cons: Aftermarket is limited compared to an LS swap, I'm going to be fighting for every bit of power more than with an LS, mediocre fuel economy at best, I've done a good amount of work but never taken a pushrod engine apart, still naturally aspirated.

Option 2: TBI performance crate engine
Pros: The work is done for me, I know what to expect in terms of power, I get a warranty, no wiring/fitment issues
Cons: A lot of them need 91 octane, poor fuel economy, expensive if I want it done right because someone else is doing the work for me, still NA.

Option 3: LS swap it
Pros: Well-established swap, relatively good fuel economy, runs on 87 (or 85) octane, middle of the road price.
Cons: Requires custom wiring and engine management, swaps get their own quirks that a shop might not know how to handle, still NA (it would take an LQ4 to get to stock advertised L05 specs)

Option 4: Give it the old angry snail (turbo). Probably still port the heads on this I'd think.
Pros: 6 PSI is 6 PSI no matter the elevation, can swap out short/long blocks easily and refit the power mods if the old engine gives up the ghost. Also Stutututututututu
Cons: Might need 91 octane depending on the tune, tuning is more complicated, poor/no documentation of this being done, plumbing could very well be a nightmare. Cost undetermined because the options are so sparse, but definitely not cheap. Putting slightly more strain on the engine than stock.

Option 5: If it was bad they wouldn't call it a "super" charger. Probably port the heads and try to fit an intercooler in there somewhere.
Pros: Easier to hook up than a turbo, slightly more documented swaps, easier to control power curve with pulley size, low RPM torque, there is nothing more American than a v8 with a blower.
Cons: Might need 91 octane depending on the tune, tuning is more complicated, similar air issues to NA due to pushing a fixed volume of air rather than fixed pressure. Undetermined price, but not cheap. Putting slightly more strain on the engine than stock.

I might be beating a dead horse, but before you make a recommendation remember that I'm currently dealing with 10.5 PSI atmospheric pressure, up to 12-ish when I go down to Denver, and before you give a horsepower/torque estimate for an NA engine multiply that by .7 and consider how that number sounds.
 

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Ooooooh....this is gonna be good! You are going to get a LOT of opinions from people a lot smarter than me on this. But my $.02 is bang for the buck will be a LS swap. Toss a cam upgrade in it if you wish, and you are over 300hp. Which by my brain math will put you over the optimistic stock 210hp at sea level.

Don't be intimidated by a LS swap. A whole lot of people have done it in our trucks, all the birthing pains are ironed out. All the information is out there, and in here. Again, my opinion. But be prepared for a whole lot of information to be tossed your way. Buckle up and good luck.
 

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Oh Boy... I can give you my opinion but why waste that butt hole
 

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Ooooooh....this is gonna be good! You are going to get a LOT of opinions from people a lot smarter than me on this. But my $.02 is bang for the buck will be a LS swap. Toss a cam upgrade in it if you wish, and you are over 300hp. Which by my brain math will put you over the optimistic stock 210hp at sea level.

Don't be intimidated by a LS swap. A whole lot of people have done it in our trucks, all the birthing pains are ironed out. All the information is out there, and in here. Again, my opinion. But be prepared for a whole lot of information to be tossed your way. Buckle up and good luck.
Thank you, I appreciate it. As I mentioned in a different thread most of my work has been on Subarus which generally don't gain much from heads / headers / cams because they were small enough that the manufacturer didn't need to strangle them to meet emissions with old smog technology. At least that's my understanding of the reasoning behind a lot of the weak points of the L05 from what I've been reading over the past week or two.

To my understanding cams tend to increase the higher end horsepower and with an upgraded valvetrain your redline, but they don't do much for low-end cruising torque, is that accurate? Or is it just that most builds people put cams in are aiming for bigger numbers high up?

FWIW I did consider a TBI 454 but discarded it when I looked at the numbers, it's a stump-puller but seems like it wouldn't do well at highway speeds and most of my driving up here is highway if it's not a couple miles in-town. If I'm not actively towing something I'd like to be able to keep up with traffic without straining the engine too much.
 

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You can get cams in many "flavors" , If you would be looking for "down low" HP/TQ increase, shoot for a RV style cam.
A call to any cam mfg explaining your intended use would point you in the right direction. Of course you can also post that question here and get many answers as well. But like engine upgrade questions, you will get a lot of options, opinions and more information than you could imagine. A lot of guys here have done what you are looking for. Learn from them and their lessons learned.
 

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Yep, that's the plan. I've done a lot of research over the past few weeks since deciding to get this truck and there's just a ton of options. My situation is kind of unusual in terms of my elevation / temperature range issues, there was someone else that asked about something similar recently but I didn't want to hijack his thread.

The fondness of companies for testing SAE gross horsepower on their builds rather than the SAE net that manufacturers use is also somewhat frustrating.
 

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Option 4: Give it the old angry snail (turbo)

Pros: 6 PSI is 6 PSI no matter the elevation, .......


This line here says it all....

What is a piston engine? It is an air pump. Move air in, expand it with heat and you get power.

What do many new vehicles have in common? What do big diesel truck engines also have that all the new little engines have??? They have option #4.

I know I might be in the minority with my opinion, but I also know what I am saying is true. Don't need to worry too much about porting and polishing, the turbo will blow the air/fuel in.

About the carb not working, that is simply not true if you have a draw through system. A carburetor is mechanical. The more air you draw through it, the more fuel it adds.

So yes, fuel injection can be more efficient, and a lot more trouble to set up. Want economy, keep your foot out of it or buy a little rice burner.
 

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If you can make a carburetor work equally well in single digit temperatures at 10,000 feet (a common requirement up here) and high 80s to 90s at 5000 feet I'll buy you a beer, because Honda doesn't think you can: https://www.tractorsupply.com/static/sites/TSC/downloads/ProdContentPDFs/1151048_Man2.pdf

Every carburetor I've seen up here has been a rich-running PITA. They run, but not well. You can lean it out all the way and it will still be too rich. I'm sure there's some explanation involving the venturi effect but I never got into fluid dynamics in college. You could probably re-jet the engine to work well up here but then it won't work down lower and also you have to find the proper jet for it. A friend of mine has a carbureted offroad Samurai and you basically have to let it warm up for 5-10 minutes before it can break 25mph. It's still slow obviously but it can at least hit 60 if you try.

As far as turbos go, though, are there any documented builds you have seen? I'm guessing a carburetor turbo hat would be required, but the turbo kits out there seem of questionable quality.
 

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As far as turbos go, though, are there any documented builds you have seen? I'm guessing a carburetor turbo hat would be required, but the turbo kits out there seem of questionable quality.

Yes, I am talking about a draw through system. Not a blow through type with a hat. The turbo will pull the air through the carb and it will work as it was designed.

Yes my build.
 

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GM when doing high altitude emissions certification wasnt just a carburetor adjustment, its carburetor parts, emissions components(all depending) and also different specs relative to eachother than at sea level. as in, you dont just scale everything up a set amount(or down) its all done together. Im sure any deviation from that is just pissing in the wind so to say
 
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