Scanner Tool To Set The Timing????

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So, I need some assistance. I have a 96 GMC with the 5.7 Vortec and am getting the P1345 code. Idles like crap, backfires, and wants to die when you put it in gear. Got a BAFX scan tool and already had the TorquePro app already. I am not getting a reading whatsoever for the Cam Retard to check my timing and dont have access to one of the fancy code readers nor am I willing to take it to a shop. Could the cam sensor itself be bad? I tried creating the PID from here in this thread and it does not do anything at all as far as showing me a reading.
 

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The timing can't be changed, and has nothing to do with the P1435 code. The cam sensor-to-crank sensor alignment is what changes, along with the rotor-to-plug wire terminal alignment.

I don't know BAFX or TorquePro, so I can't help.
 

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I used BAFX with dashcommand and set several, really handy that you can set your phone where you can see it while you turn the distributor. If you do a search on here you will find where it is discussed and they mention using an ELM27 (I think) which is the same thing as the BAFX.
 

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The timing can't be changed, and has nothing to do with the P1435 code. The cam sensor-to-crank sensor alignment is what changes, along with the rotor-to-plug wire terminal alignment.

I don't know BAFX or TorquePro, so I can't help.

If the 1345 code has nothing to do with the timing then why does almost every search about it on the web say that it is almost always the cam retard being off which is corrected by adjusting the distributor? I cannot get the readings obviously to see but, just the slightest movement of the distributor can throw it out of wack.
 

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If the 1345 code has nothing to do with the timing then why does almost every search about it on the web say that it is almost always the cam retard being off which is corrected by adjusting the distributor? I cannot get the readings obviously to see but, just the slightest movement of the distributor can throw it out of wack.
The ignition timing is controlled by the crank sensor and the reluctor on the crankshaft. The distributor has NOTHING to do with the timing. You are aligning the crank sensor to the cam sensor.

The position of the distributor affects how the spark jumps from the rotor tip to the spark plug terminal of the distributor cap. If the distributor is out-of-position, the spark can fire to the wrong terminal. This is particularly a problem when a spark intended for Cylinder 5 fires Cylinder 7 instead. 7 has fuel and air, but little compression so it ignites easily--and blows the crankshaft the opposite direction.

Wild guess with no evidence: Find a clamp-on high-voltage probe for ignition systems, connect to coil wire. Run engine at ~1100 rpm. Turn distributor to position of lowest indicated voltage. This coincides with cam-to-crank alignment.

"I" just use a real scan tool and do it based on the service manual procedure.

Have you considered that there could be twenty other things that cause the engine to run bad, and the P1345 code is just a coincidence? (Yes, it would still need to be corrected. If that doesn't entirely fix the driveability issue, you'll also have to deal with whatever is REALLY causing the engine to run bad.)

My '97 7.4L was 29 degrees out-ot-alignment when I bought the truck, and didn't run a bit different when I got it within one degree. It did keep it from resetting the P1345 code again, though.
 

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With the dashcommand app when you adjust the distributor I found you have to turn the truck off unplug the reader and reconnect to get the new reading.
So I’ve tried this as well as shutting down the program entirely and still getting a consistent reading (-25* idle to -29* @ 1200rpm) no matter which way I rotate the distributor. Any ideas anyone?
 

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"I" just use a real scan tool and do it based on the service manual procedure.

So I’ve tried this as well as shutting down the program entirely and still getting a consistent reading (-25* idle to -29* @ 1200rpm) no matter which way I rotate the distributor. Any ideas anyone?
Apparently, the scan-program you're attempting to use isn't working properly.

I suggest a different scan tool.
 

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Apparently, the scan-program you're attempting to use isn't working properly.

I suggest a different scan tool.
It did give me an different reading initially (-17*/-21) but When I shut down and rotated (the wrong direction I am assuming) it got -25/-29 and have been here since. It’s a cable link (OBDLINK SX) and seems to be reading other things correctly (rpm, temps ect)
 

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You’re looking at the CMP Retard and not the timing, right?

Loosen the hold down, twist and then tighten it again to check the reading.
 
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