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Needs15
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I'm 32 and started in the autobody industry at 18 here in Canada. I took 4 years to complete my apprenticeship and came out with a full autobody technician and not just a repairer or a painter but both. I started out in a high end restoration shop which did a little collision repair and spent nine years there before being asked to work for a guy on his own personal cars and building custom vehicles for him. I can attest to the lack of young people in the trade even here in Canada. I always had small class sizes especially in the repairer part of the apprenticeship as it only take 2 years for a journeyman painter so most guys did that and then went back to work cause they could get journeyman wage even though they weren't painting and just doing repair. With collision repair and mainly everything just being remove and replace its definitely taking the skill out of the trade and the pay isn't as good as other trades so that deters alot of people as well. I wish we had schools like wyotech up here as that would probably bring more younger people into the trade if they had the opportunity to get the proper training on building hot rods and welding and true metal work. Instead they have to fight to try and get a job at a hot rod shop which is tough around here as most are just small 3 or 4 people shops and they don't have the time to teach an appretice.
Modern auto body repair is very different than "old school"
Back in the day, a car had to be pretty jacked up before it was written off.
Now, 300 bucks of broken plastic and a paint job sends it to the crusher.
The insurance companies try to blame it on the "labor rate"
Like maybe somehow paying a guy who went to school to learn this **** is just more than they can take.
God forbid you should pay a guy for knowing what the **** hes doing.
Damnit if we dont watch real close and keep that guy in debt while standing on his neck he might get out of debt and figure out that weve ****** him over!
We just cannot have that going on.
Hows about we just grind that schlub into the dirt.
If the toxins dont get him the tinnitus will and hell be too busy at the doctors office to figure out hes ******!
Good plan Mortimer!
If you are young, get yourself right the **** out of the auto body business.
Twenty years or maybe less that business wont exist.
The plan is to have a motor/ chassis and the entire body and interior is just a bolt on.
If you are smart enough and dedicated enough.
Learn the powertrain and motors of these.
The body will be disposable.
There will be a backlash.
When the poor and the self reliant start buying up gas vehicles and need them repaired.
But that wont extend to the auto body bisiness.
That will be a temporary boon to mechanics.
But it wont last,
The plan is to place "carbon caps" on fuel producers.
Well **** sparky? how do you cut down on carbon in fuel?
By making it 20 percent corn
And 20 percent corn fuel is going to kill any obd1 deader than a doorknob
Get the **** out of the auto body business.
Start thinking about how we can run old chevys off of corn.
Think about it brother. Think about it.
You never know.
Maybe you are the guy who figures it out.
Back in the day, a car had to be pretty jacked up before it was written off.
Now, 300 bucks of broken plastic and a paint job sends it to the crusher.
The insurance companies try to blame it on the "labor rate"
Like maybe somehow paying a guy who went to school to learn this **** is just more than they can take.
God forbid you should pay a guy for knowing what the **** hes doing.
Damnit if we dont watch real close and keep that guy in debt while standing on his neck he might get out of debt and figure out that weve ****** him over!
We just cannot have that going on.
Hows about we just grind that schlub into the dirt.
If the toxins dont get him the tinnitus will and hell be too busy at the doctors office to figure out hes ******!
Good plan Mortimer!
If you are young, get yourself right the **** out of the auto body business.
Twenty years or maybe less that business wont exist.
The plan is to have a motor/ chassis and the entire body and interior is just a bolt on.
If you are smart enough and dedicated enough.
Learn the powertrain and motors of these.
The body will be disposable.
There will be a backlash.
When the poor and the self reliant start buying up gas vehicles and need them repaired.
But that wont extend to the auto body bisiness.
That will be a temporary boon to mechanics.
But it wont last,
The plan is to place "carbon caps" on fuel producers.
Well **** sparky? how do you cut down on carbon in fuel?
By making it 20 percent corn
And 20 percent corn fuel is going to kill any obd1 deader than a doorknob
Get the **** out of the auto body business.
Start thinking about how we can run old chevys off of corn.
Think about it brother. Think about it.
You never know.
Maybe you are the guy who figures it out.
Needs15
OBS Enthusiast
No need for all the conspiracy talk on here. Things change and you never know whats gonna happen in 10 or 20 years but that just means you have to adapt to changes. Sure things could be 100 percent different and no gas vehicles and all that but people will still want to modify there car. Electric engine swaps will become the most popular thing and GM has already started to plan for that and has a crate electric motor. It's like anything else if you don't adapt to change you get left behind.
To the OP since this post has gone away from its original intention all I have to say is this. Yes panel bond will be fine to repair your cab corner. It is not the way I would do things and seems to be the consensus of most here that it's not the way they would do it but if your not worried about the possibility of a seam showing up down the road or you don't have a welder or the experience to weld the panel in then this is your best bet and will be a long lasting repair as long as the prep work is done properly. Best of luck
To the OP since this post has gone away from its original intention all I have to say is this. Yes panel bond will be fine to repair your cab corner. It is not the way I would do things and seems to be the consensus of most here that it's not the way they would do it but if your not worried about the possibility of a seam showing up down the road or you don't have a welder or the experience to weld the panel in then this is your best bet and will be a long lasting repair as long as the prep work is done properly. Best of luck
Thanks. I do have a welder, and usually weld this kind of stuff. I was trying this as something new. It is nice to have options when working on stuff. This is my daily driver, so if it fails, it isn't going to affect anybody but me.
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it is a great solution for someone who isn't ready to lift the bed. I have complete new weld in panels. not the patch kind. but i want to just patch the cab corner and get it safetied so I can drive it down the road finally. not having a big enough shop is why I would use this panel bonding and a patch for now. reading this entire thread is probably the most information I have ever learned about body work but IDK I'm only after a 20 foot truck.
thanks guys.
Al
thanks guys.
Al
Well folks - I glued the inner and outer 3rd door skin on last night. I prepped everything according to the instructions, and put the panels on, using self tapping screws to keep things tight. After the glue is cured, I will pull the screws out and put more glue in the holes, trying to mimic the factory spot welds.
It would have been faster just to weld this stuff on, but I want to see how it holds up. Even though the parts that I glued aren't part of the inner structure, being the bottom of the door, they will get abused. It will be interesting to see how it holds up.
The factory spot welds were all rusting...
It would have been faster just to weld this stuff on, but I want to see how it holds up. Even though the parts that I glued aren't part of the inner structure, being the bottom of the door, they will get abused. It will be interesting to see how it holds up.
The factory spot welds were all rusting...
kenh
I see nothing I hear nothing
One thing for sure. There will be no water in the seam to cause rust! Those seams will still be there when all the steel is gone!!!
Ken
Ken
After driving the s10 that I used this on for a while this ^^^ absolutely did happen. It is obvious that Hipster knows what he is talking about!
The witness line is no big deal on this particular vehicle, but I would weld if doing a vehicle that needs to look good.
Don't be dissapointed that it didn't work out, the cool thing is that you tried something different. You thought outside of the box gave it a go and this is how new ideas are developed. Attitudes have changed over time and today people are always asking "why" but when I was a young fella we always said "why not" and just gave it a go to see what happens.
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