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Schurkey

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Is there something I'm not getting here? Why would you want to turn off the DRL's? They are a great safety feature, and have proven to prevent accidents, especially head on collisions!
DRLs, like most socialist/******* ideas, are a useless heap of crap that against all reason became politically-correct.

I'm not aware of a SINGLE peer-reviewed "scientific study" done in the US proving that DRLs make any difference in the real world. All studies I've heard of are either not peer-reviewed (biased/flawed bullshit) or they're from high-latitude (dim sunlight) countries with a long, sad history of government interference in the lives of their subjects. You know...Sweden, Norway, etc. Or both--high latitude and still not peer-reviewed for errors and bias.

I wrote to GM and asked for copies of their studies that prove DRL effectiveness. They sent me PRESS RELEASES instead of proof. GM arrogance knows no boundaries.

DRLs are a fraud. They're annoying. DRLs that use the high-beams in particular create hazardous glare. They're just as bad as morons who use fog lights when it's not foggy; or driving lights when there's other traffic on the road.

DRLs don't pass the giggle test. What sense does it make to turn on lights in broad daylight? Do fireflies glow in daytime? NO. Even God turns off the lights when the sun's out.

And don't tell me that stupid old story about how they make the lighted vehicle easier to see. At what point do cops NOT give out tickets to unlit vehicles because they can't find 'em?

Every vehicle I own that came with DRLs has had them disabled, even if I had to do it in the middle of winter, outside, laying on a frozen driveway to get under the dashboard.

DRLs, just like improperly set/too slow speed limits, and automated traffic enforcement are perfect examples of Government's insatiable need to lie, control the Citizen, and profit from destroying freedom and the right-to-choose.
 

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DRLs, like most socialist/******* ideas, are a useless heap of crap that against all reason became politically-correct.

I'm not aware of a SINGLE peer-reviewed "scientific study" done in the US proving that DRLs make any difference in the real world. All studies I've heard of are either not peer-reviewed (biased/flawed bullshit) or they're from high-latitude (dim sunlight) countries with a long, sad history of government interference in the lives of their subjects. You know...Sweden, Norway, etc. Or both--high latitude and still not peer-reviewed for errors and bias.

I wrote to GM and asked for copies of their studies that prove DRL effectiveness. They sent me PRESS RELEASES instead of proof. GM arrogance knows no boundaries.

DRLs are a fraud. They're annoying. DRLs that use the high-beams in particular create hazardous glare. They're just as bad as morons who use fog lights when it's not foggy; or driving lights when there's other traffic on the road.

DRLs don't pass the giggle test. What sense does it make to turn on lights in broad daylight? Do fireflies glow in daytime? NO. Even God turns off the lights when the sun's out.

And don't tell me that stupid old story about how they make the lighted vehicle easier to see. At what point do cops NOT give out tickets to unlit vehicles because they can't find 'em?

Every vehicle I own that came with DRLs has had them disabled, even if I had to do it in the middle of winter, outside, laying on a frozen driveway to get under the dashboard.

DRLs, just like improperly set/too slow speed limits, and automated traffic enforcement are perfect examples of Government's insatiable need to lie, control the Citizen, and profit from destroying freedom and the right-to-choose.
Damn, tell us how you really feel :rofl:

For the record, I 100% agree with you, so don't take that the wrong way lol
 

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DRLs, like most socialist/******* ideas, are a useless heap of crap that against all reason became politically-correct.

I'm not aware of a SINGLE peer-reviewed "scientific study" done in the US proving that DRLs make any difference in the real world. All studies I've heard of are either not peer-reviewed (biased/flawed bullshit) or they're from high-latitude (dim sunlight) countries with a long, sad history of government interference in the lives of their subjects. You know...Sweden, Norway, etc. Or both--high latitude and still not peer-reviewed for errors and bias.

I wrote to GM and asked for copies of their studies that prove DRL effectiveness. They sent me PRESS RELEASES instead of proof. GM arrogance knows no boundaries.

DRLs are a fraud. They're annoying. DRLs that use the high-beams in particular create hazardous glare. They're just as bad as morons who use fog lights when it's not foggy; or driving lights when there's other traffic on the road.

DRLs don't pass the giggle test. What sense does it make to turn on lights in broad daylight? Do fireflies glow in daytime? NO. Even God turns off the lights when the sun's out.

And don't tell me that stupid old story about how they make the lighted vehicle easier to see. At what point do cops NOT give out tickets to unlit vehicles because they can't find 'em?

Every vehicle I own that came with DRLs has had them disabled, even if I had to do it in the middle of winter, outside, laying on a frozen driveway to get under the dashboard.

DRLs, just like improperly set/too slow speed limits, and automated traffic enforcement are perfect examples of Government's insatiable need to lie, control the Citizen, and profit from destroying freedom and the right-to-choose.

I won't lie, I am a fan of our Envoy's auto headlights. Especially because it has an override to kill it.
 

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Schurkey, you should see what our gvmt is trying to do to the law abiding semiautomatic hunter and sport shooters in Canada..... our Gvmt makes **** up and spouts it enough times that people start believing the bullshit. while at the same time they are trying to take our semiautos such as the mini14 they are also trying to make all the laws that surround criminal activity with guns a lesser offence. I think they have their heads so far shoved up their own ***** they can't even smell the ****! anyways....

it's TRUE, and DRLs can also go to hell. I have read every single word of the highway traffic act. I have also removed 1 license plate light from the rear harness because I wanted its convenient spot for a 7way trailer plug. I have never been stopped for it but a cop once made a comment on how it was clever. I told him I read every single word and if its burned out it's an offense, well there is no light there and the led bulb illuminates the plate well. lol.

Al
 

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DRLs, like most socialist/******* ideas, are a useless heap of crap that against all reason became politically-correct.

I'm not aware of a SINGLE peer-reviewed "scientific study" done in the US proving that DRLs make any difference in the real world. All studies I've heard of are either not peer-reviewed (biased/flawed bullshit) or they're from high-latitude (dim sunlight) countries with a long, sad history of government interference in the lives of their subjects. You know...Sweden, Norway, etc. Or both--high latitude and still not peer-reviewed for errors and bias.

I wrote to GM and asked for copies of their studies that prove DRL effectiveness. They sent me PRESS RELEASES instead of proof. GM arrogance knows no boundaries.

DRLs are a fraud. They're annoying. DRLs that use the high-beams in particular create hazardous glare. They're just as bad as morons who use fog lights when it's not foggy; or driving lights when there's other traffic on the road. Social
DRLs, like most socialist/******* ideas, are a useless heap of crap that against all reason became politically-correct.

I'm not aware of a SINGLE peer-reviewed "scientific study" done in the US proving that DRLs make any difference in the real world. All studies I've heard of are either not peer-reviewed (biased/flawed bullshit) or they're from high-latitude (dim sunlight) countries with a long, sad history of government interference in the lives of their subjects. You know...Sweden, Norway, etc. Or both--high latitude and still not peer-reviewed for errors and bias.

I wrote to GM and asked for copies of their studies that prove DRL effectiveness. They sent me PRESS RELEASES instead of proof. GM arrogance knows no boundaries.

DRLs are a fraud. They're annoying. DRLs that use the high-beams in particular create hazardous glare. They're just as bad as morons who use fog lights when it's not foggy; or driving lights when there's other traffic on the road.

DRLs don't pass the giggle test. What sense does it make to turn on lights in broad daylight? Do fireflies glow in daytime? NO. Even God turns off the lights when the sun's out.

And don't tell me that stupid old story about how they make the lighted vehicle easier to see. At what point do cops NOT give out tickets to unlit vehicles because they can't find 'em?

Every vehicle I own that came with DRLs has had them disabled, even if I had to do it in the middle of winter, outside, laying on a frozen driveway to get under the dashboard.

DRLs, just like improperly set/too slow speed limits, and automated traffic enforcement are perfect examples of Government's insatiable need to lie, control the Citizen, and profit from destroying freedom and the right-to-choose.


DRLs don't pass the giggle test. What sense does it make to turn on lights in broad daylight? Do fireflies glow in daytime? NO. Even God turns off the lights when the sun's out.

And don't tell me that stupid old story about how they make the lighted vehicle easier to see. At what point do cops NOT give out tickets to unlit vehicles because they can't find 'em?

Every vehicle I own that came with DRLs has had them disabled, even if I had to do it in the middle of winter, outside, laying on a frozen driveway to get under the dashboard.

DRLs, just like improperly set/too slow speed limits, and automated traffic enforcement are perfect examples of Government's insatiable need to lie, control the Citizen, and profit from destroying freedom and the right-to-choose.
Socialist, Libtards, impression of an Outstanding 400 member who (whom ) may or may not have sojourned in my Canada. Trying to keep my stick on the ice. Snow Squalls, then California Sunshine today. Power flickering, wood stove (full Vortec a throttle). -8F tonight. And yes, to the Forum query, libation on a ( I name it) 1776 Revolution Home Brew. Had to use some Kuebec syrup on this batch. All Great.
 

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Schurkey, you should see what our gvmt is trying to do to the law abiding semiautomatic hunter and sport shooters in Canada..... our Gvmt makes **** up and spouts it enough times that people start believing the bullshit. while at the same time they are trying to take our semiautos such as the mini14 they are also trying to make all the laws that surround criminal activity with guns a lesser offence. I think they have their heads so far shoved up their own ***** they can't even smell the ****! anyways....

it's TRUE, and DRLs can also go to hell. I have read every single word of the highway traffic act. I have also removed 1 license plate light from the rear harness because I wanted its convenient spot for a 7way trailer plug. I have never been stopped for it but a cop once made a comment on how it was clever. I told him I read every single word and if its burned out it's an offense, well there is no light there and the led bulb illuminates the plate well. lol.

Al
GAWD, think I acquisitioned the Chev's upkeep spring budget, on Black Rifle coffee, ( help the Vets) and CCFR Down Range coffee ( oppose Liberal Gun control). All Good. Got my stick on the Ice.
 

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who (whom ) may or may not have sojourned in my Canada.
The Seasonally-Frozen Wastelands are not far removed from OH! Canada!

Embarassing Fact: I much prefer Pecan syrup to Maple. I am ashamed. I must be punished. Around here, Poutine is called "Irish Nachos", either way it's wonderful. As are fries and malt vinegar.

Spent 13 years working for a Canadian-based company. More business trips to Canada than recreational, but had fun every time.


Trying to keep my stick on the ice. Snow Squalls, then California Sunshine today. Power flickering, wood stove (full Vortec a throttle). -8F tonight.
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But curling...not so much. I don't have big enough stones for that. One bonspiel is about all I can take.

However...
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libation on a ( I name it) 1776 Revolution Home Brew.
It has not escaped my attention that cold weather makes for a "climate" of heavy drinking. Russia, Baltic states, Canada.

Even my little Frozen Wasteland is known as the "binge drinking capitol" although they never say what it's the capitol of--the state? The tri-state region? All of America? I think it's more Nebulous ******* Lies designed to make us as a community feel guilty. I say "WE'RE NUMBER ONE!" It's important to celebrate the few victories we have.

Australians make big noise about being hard drinkers. Pshaw. Five of my people, three Canadians, or one Russian can take on a small gaggle of Aussies. It just ain't cold enough there.

Stick on the ice, indeed. Be well. And when the ol' Sack-ometer gets tight, throw another log on the fire.
 
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The Seasonally-Frozen Wastelands are not far removed from OH! Canada!

Embarassing Fact: I much prefer Pecan syrup to Maple. I am ashamed. I must be punished. Around here, Poutine is called "Irish Nachos", either way it's wonderful. As are fries and malt vinegar.

Spent 13 years working for a Canadian-based company. More business trips to Canada than recreational, but had fun every time.



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But curling...not so much. I don't have big enough stones for that. One bonspiel is about all I can take.

However...I implore All the youth out there, when you are in college do not play Kitchen Hockey from that song. Sure ways to lose your security posit, been there, too many times. And Curling, more dangerous to the human frame when drinking, no Skates for traction... G80.
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It has not escaped my attention that cold weather makes for a "climate" of heavy drinking. Russia, Baltic states, Canada.

Even my little Frozen Wasteland is known as the "binge drinking capitol" although they never say what it's the capitol of--the state? The tri-state region? All of America? I think it's more Nebulous ******* Lies designed to make us as a community feel guilty. I say "WE'RE NUMBER ONE!" It's important to celebrate the few victories we have.

Australians make big noise about being hard drinkers. Pshaw. Five of my people, three Canadians, or one Russian can take on a small gaggle of Aussies. It just ain't cold enough there.

Stick on the ice, indeed. Be well. And when the ol' Sack-ometer gets tight, throw another log on the fire.
 

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As my '94 k1500 does not have driving lights, I purposely installed some real brite LED running lights primarily for towing (am an RV'er) on sunny brite two lane desert highways. On these highways whenever you come upon a slower car, its got to be passed. Problem is, in brite sunshine you can't see very far down the road and take a risk passing. So I installed the lights so others could see me coming if they were getting ready to pass. I don't run them all the time. I also use them at night when I meet a car or truck that has those super brite LED headlights that blind me, I'm hoping I can blind him and make him run off the road. Yes, I hate them that much. The worst thing about the DR's on my HHR (all GM folks) is that they stay on (conspirisy by the battery makers) for a while after shutting down, so I purposely turn them off at the same time as turning off the key.
 

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DRLs are a symptom of a greater problem. Distraction. I have two quick stories that help illustrate why DRLs are the wrong solution.

Several years ago there was an aerial port supervisor (aerial porters load and unload cargo) at a deployed location, working at night. He was run over and killed by a forklift. It was a terrible tragedy, but he wasn't watching out for his own safety, and the forklift driver was hurrying and not being mindful of the fact he was driving around foot traffic. As a result, everyone in the Air Force has to wear reflective belts over their camouflage uniforms during night or inclement weather operations. I joke with my friends that the next step is going to be a cap with integral strobe lights, but I fear it's isn't too far off the mark.

A few years before that my shop had an A/M32-60 air-start cart come in with the fuel tank mounted on back crushed. It was painted OD green, as all Air Force equipment at the time, and had black reflective tape marking it's dimensions (black reflective tape is subdued color, but shines if you flash a light on it). A young ****** driving a JG-30 tow tractor on the flightline at night ran into it. She claimed she couldn't see it because it was camouflaged (Navy equipment was painted white), but through others we heard she'd dropped her phone and leaned over to pick it up while driving. The Navy ended up having to buy that piece of equipment from the Air Force. It was the only -60 in the Navy inventory at the time.

Sure, DRLs might have some ability to attract attention, but the problem isn't attention, it's distraction. People are failing to pay attention to what is really important. We see it now with the addition of strobing brake lights. Are we admitting that the third brake light mounted at eye level is a failure? It was supposed to solve the problem. Where does this end?

DRLs were the result of GM's ad men wanting a safety innovation they could advertise because they were getting demolished in safety ratings. The engineers threw some extra wiring on and said, "There, I fixed it. Go away."
 
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