Convertor stall and you

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This info was provided by the Dok, and needs to be put on here

Converters are the "black holes" and "voodoo" of cars and trucks. They are strange, complicated, and misunderstood.

First, stall is based on input torque mainly and also based off vehicle weight. I.e. an anemic, low compression 350 may be able to stall a converter to about 2000 rpm. A hot, higher compression with good heads 350 may be able to get that stall up to 2600 rpm due to making more torque. That is with the same converter. It really depends on your application.

Stall also is in different forms. There is flash stall, brake stall, and actual stall.

Flash stall is, with no traction problems, the peak RPM or the quick jump of the engine RPM's on with the converter. This isn't the best way to measure stall. Insane amounts of torque can make a 3000rpm stall to 4000rpm+

Brake stall is, holding down your brake and gassing the ride with the other foot. That doesn't work too well either b/c you will generally begin to light up the rear tires.

Actual stall is if you had a transbrake on your trans (holds R+D together) so you don't move and your RPM's rise to your stall speed. If you have a 3000rpm stall, that is what your engine should rev to with the transbrake on. You would launch off of that.

Softness depends on the stall and size you go with. High stall, small converters are "loose" converters if you will. Larger diameter usually help keep the looseness away and keep the factory towing up. These act more stock with higher stall. The softness is more likely to be with the part-throttle shift than the WOT ones.

Looseness is hard to explain. Like you'd have to give the vehicle a bit more gas to get moving and depending on diameter. Generally your part throttle putting around rpms are about 2000-2400rpm again depending on converter and vehicle.

Also stall converters help with shift extension on the upshifts...meaning you will have a higher RPM in the next gear you shift into. This is very nice for wide ratio boxes like the 4L60E. In addition to that, low throttle/cruising is also improved in that weird area where you are going too fast for a 2-1 downshift and too slow for 3rd...your RPMs will be a bit higher so it will not feel as much like a dead spot. That happens due to the big jump in ratios between 1st and 2nd gears.

Finally, with a high stall converter, install a large transmission cooler. Even if the instructions say it is okay to use the factory cooler/heat exchanger get one. They are cheap insurance. $50 cooler or $2000+ transmission?
 

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very good write up, im going to be replacing my TC in the near future and im defidently going to take this into consideration before buying one
 

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My stall is a 2500, Its a little "loose" for in town but overall is wonderful for turning the 35s in the mud. REALLY helps on the takeoff power, especially in reverse.
 

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Im needing your help here my T.C. is bad so im going to buy a used rebuilt one here in Houston so I was thinking of getting a S-10 T.C. for the reason of the stall it has I heard it's around 2300 or 2500 but at times I tow with my truck and I really don't hot rod it much then being a ext/cab should I just get a heavy duty one or stock one or the S-10 T.C. I do have some Vortek heads but I think I would place a 5.3 in it with a little cam when my engine shells out and GOD only knows when that will happen it runs like the first day I bought it new and another thing when I tried to install a deep trans pan the filter would hit the pan what filter should I use I want the pan because it has a drain plug?? Miles on truck 188K
Thanks! Roland
 

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stall has quite a bit to do with cam operating range as well, every engine component works in sync with each other. the first post seems to describe nomenclature revolved around the word stall and not what an actual stall does, how to choose one etc etc.
 

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And every converter is different. Flash stall will be different, lock up will be different between manufacturers


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