Piston ring install issues.

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DeCaff2007

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To be clear, have you put the rings by themselves down in the bore to verify fitment and end gap?

Yes, to the letter, just like the mook in this video:

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If the end gaps are correct as by stuffing them in cylinders to check.
What type of ring compressor are you using? May we see it? And a photo of it in use.
First idea is the ring compressor is not fully seating the rings in the lands, an edge is exposed, and clunk.
You have done piston install, right?
Plenty of engine oil on cylinder walls and piston and rings?
Without observing your install, and technique that's my thoughts.
Type? I didn't know there is more than one.

My ring compressor: Notice the locking action is different than in the vid. The compressor in the vid is from Harbor Freight. I sprung 2 of them before making the 45 minute drive to borrow this one from my FIL.
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As for a ring not fully seating in the piston grooves... my Wife tried compressing the bottom ring by hand and she tried pointing out how she sees an edge at the bottom. I thought perhaps she just wasn't strong enough to compress the ring and that the tool should have compensated for that. I'll check again today.

Yes, LoL, I've installed pistons before.
 

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Did you clean all carbon from the ring grooves? If not it may be preventing the rings from going far enough into the groove to allow installation?
 

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Did you clean all carbon from the ring grooves? If not it may be preventing the rings from going far enough into the groove to allow installation?

Definitely. The machinist I go to hot tanked everything. Block, heads, internals... all cleaned and good to go.
 

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Soak the pistons in some good solvent for a day or two and then use an old, broken ring to scrape anything out.

Check the ring depth versus the ring gap depth.

Get a ring compressor the correct size for the pistons. I use that same Harbor Freight compressor you have there, but the chamfer on your deck looks almost cartoonish. The HF compressor won't work with that much chamfer. Did your block come that way?
 

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Have you compared the old rings vs the new rings side by side?

I don't really have anything technical to add, but I got one of these tapered compressors and it's by far the easiest method I have used.

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Put rod & piston & ring assembly in a freezer before install. Is it that close of a tolerance?
 

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Did you check the end gap on the oil ring rails too (the two that fit on the spacer in the bottom piston groove)? Also can you compare them to the old rings (if you haven't discarded them yet), for thickness from the edge that touches the cylinder wall to the edge that lays against the inside of the piston ring groove? I have seen a set new rings with SOME on the rings different AND marked the same (boxed wrong at the manufacturer). jt
 

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There's a half-dozen styles of ring compressor; and a hundred brand names making better or worse versions of each kind. The LAST style of ring compressor I'd use is the one you have. I gave up on that style ring compressor decades ago.

Go to any auto parts store in America, look for the Lisle tool display. The ring compressor I use is sold by Lisle (and also sold as "store brand" at CarQuest, perhaps others as well.)

Of course, Amazon has them as well.
www.amazon.com/Lisle-21700-Wrinkle-Band-Compressor/dp/B0009OR93I/ref=sr_1_3?crid=146O9NE2ID8CJ

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BEWARE: These ring compressors are victims of those who knock-off products, and the importers who can't be bothered to perform QA on the incoming items. I bought a piece-of-crap counterfeit product where the slots in the steel band were punched from the wrong direction, so that the sharp, jagged edge was facing inward toward the rings. The last thing that happened to the rings before they were crammed into the cylinder was that the face of each ring was destroyed. I returned the tool before using it, warned the guy at the parts counter, who promptly put the ring compressor back into it's packaging and re-hung it on the display. Years ago, it was easy to tell the genuine, quality Lisle product from the junk, because the Lisle was made in USA, and the junk was imported from Asia. I won't promise that the Lisle is still made in USA.

As has already been mentioned, incorrect rings for the pistons; and hardened carbon in the ring grooves are also fairly likely causes of what you're experiencing.
 

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Soak the pistons in some good solvent for a day or two and then use an old, broken ring to scrape anything out.

Check the ring depth versus the ring gap depth.

Get a ring compressor the correct size for the pistons. I use that same Harbor Freight compressor you have there, but the chamfer on your deck looks almost cartoonish. The HF compressor won't work with that much chamfer. Did your block come that way?

Yes, the block came that way. I've been comparing with pic of other SBC's and I'll agree... that's a bit much of an angle there.

I have good news, though. I tried again after I calmed down a bit and managed to JUST get the bottom ring in the cylinder. It required all the strength I had with a dead blow hammer because that ancient ring compressor does not form a circle around the piston. It's more of an imperfect oval. That could be a big part of the problem right there.

A few more excessive blows with the dead blow and oh look, the second ring wants to maybe go in. I ended up snapping the second ring. GRRRRR. Well now I have to remove the piston. Using a long, 3/8" extension and a ball peen hammer, (from the bottom of the block) the piston came out with some massaging.

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@Schurkey, I went ahead and ordered the "new" style ring compressor. It won't be here until after the holidays. While I'm spending more money, can anyone recommend a new set of rings? The ones I have now are "Sealed Power" from Rock Auto. The ring groove depth is .166. Yes, it matters.


Let me address one more thing here. Everyone keeps asking about ring gap. The aforementioned video showed a 0.014 feeler gauge going through the ring gap with excessive clearance. Then, it showed a 0.020 feeler gauge just touching. We measured every ring for that cylinder and well... even a 0.021 feeler gauge was like a hot dog down a hallway. You'd think those rings would have slid right in......
 
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Did you grease up that ring installer? I usually tap the piston with the handle of a hammer or lay the handle on the piston and pop the hammer itself with the heel of my hand to drive it in. If it fights me as hard as you're describing I take it apart and start over. Do you have another block laying around to try and slide a piston into as a sanity check?
 
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