Emission question

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where I live at all they do is check for codes from the OBD port.
If its a 96 its OBD2.
Even if they dont do a visual,
It wont pass with any code of any type.
Im in washington State but Im pretty sure that is a fed rule.
The other thing to keep in mind on an OBD2 is that it wont pass untill all of the "registers" for the system are ready.
This is what happens when you disconnect the battery to repair something, and then take it straight to emissions testing and it fails.
If that happened here, they would tell you to go drive it around for a week and try again.
It has to go through a "Drive Cycle" before all of those registers switch from "Not Ready" to "Ready"
No matter what is going on, No data or history from any system is an automatic fail.

The "Drive Cycle" for a vehicle varies depending on the manufacturer.
The GM drive cycle looks rather complicated.
Its been a few years but I remember it being something like...
Cold start at a certain outside temp and relative humidty and then 15 mph and decelerate 3 times then accelerate to 50 and decelerate to idle and touch the dashboard three times with your left toe while holding a conoe paddle and a bunch of other nonsense.
You can do a GM drive cycle in one day with a cheap OBD2 code reader as long as it shows you live data and sensor status.
The ECM recieves and stores different data from each sensor depending on what you are doing.
So cold data and hot data at speed versus idle etc...
Start it cold and take it for a normal drive on city streets, get on the freeway and drive like normal, get off the freeway and go back to city streets etc...
Go back on the freeway and take the next exit.
Basically you want to put the vehicle through every normal type of driving untill your code scanner shows all of those readiness moniters being okay.
About 15 years ago I bought 5 chevy fleet trucks that were dead as disco and ran all 5 of them through emissions in 2 days just by putting new batterys in and driving the piss out of them.
On some vehicles, like friggen volkswagon, when you shut it off you loose the O2 moniter.
It will always be not ready at start
It comes back after restart but it made me think it was a fail.
Friggen car.
None of this will make you instantly pass emissions.
You still have to pass the test.
This just keeps you from instantly failing the test before they even test it.
We dont have emissions testing in Washington anymore.
Which is just as shocking as hell.
But a couple of years ago when we did you had 3 chances to pass and if you failed for whatever reason you had to take your car to a shop and give them 150 bucks to get an emissions exemption which pretty much made the car un-sellable and worthless.
Very, very few of these cars failed from actual excessive emissions.
They failed because of a stored or active OBD2 code.
And, most of the cars and trucks that got crushed during the "Cash for Clunkers" program were cars that probably needed a new starter or a water pump
Whatever you do and no matter how frustrating it may get keep your truck.
The supply is starting to get pretty thin.
Twenty years from now.
You will wish like hell you still had it.
My high school car was a 1969 roadrunner 383 4 barrel bucket seat console car.
Forrest green with a green interior.
I sold that car for 800 bucks.
About two weeks ago I met up with some old high school freinds at our local bar.
Including my friend who had a 1963 409 4 speed impala back then.
A bucket, console SS car.
I drove the friggen toyota corrolla and he showed up in a prious.
I should have brought the lawnmower.
At least it makes some noise.
Hang on to your ******* cars and trucks kids.
There is a time coming really soon when you will not be able to find or afford another one.
 

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If they conduct a exhaust pipe " sniff " check you will not pass period. No cats = no NOX conversion. Fail. The aft or back O2 sensor function is monitoring health of cat. No cat = failed convertor. EPA federal law states " any modifications to factory smog program computer is illegal" . The tuner companies know this. Some are leaving the market. Some are trying to figure out how to leave no footprint that there was mods.
These are the same laws and regs that have been in place for 20 plus years. The catch was nobody was enforcing them. But they have been there all this time.
So it comes down to how far is your States , motor vehicle department, or State EPA dept. Or State mandated smog program going to comply with Federal EPA regulations.
California is super strict, lead the way on vehicle smog regulations and enforcement. Including Diesel trucks, commercial, heavy.
That's the important part.
Everybody driving electric vehicles is not realistic until there affordable for average Americans. Where are they gonna get the Electric power to charge all these vehicles? California has brownouts and rolling blackouts now. Electric high speed rail? What a joke, and HUGE waste of taxpayer money. The locomotive manufacturer is laughing all the way to the bank. , Electric cars, It doesn't matter if you build charger ports everywhere if there's no power for them.
Since the Ukraine Russia thing essential raw materials are no longer being mined or processed, what's being used is what's in warehouses. Check the price of steel recently?
Well that ran off rails. :3811797817_8d685371
 

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^^^ Agreement, except for the "20-plus year" part. While technically correct, it'd be more accurate to say "50-plus years". It's NEVER been legal to remove a catalyst that works, or to fail to replace a catalyst that's failed. Same deal for the rest of the emissions system. It cannot be disabled, defeated, removed, tricked, fooled, or reprogrammed legally based on FEDERAL law (which may or may not include State or Local laws in addition.) If you want to modify your emissions system--or anything that affects the emissions system--you have to recertify the mods using the full-scale EPA-certified testing lab, or file paperwork, hope-and-pray for an exemption based on a bona-fide basis that the mod(s) won't affect emissions performance.

But who enforces that law? Who is going to enforce that law in the future? Do you actually think these over-the-top regulations are going to get LESS-stringent?

The EPA has threatened to fine owners of formerly-street-legal "race cars" that are no longer used on the street, or even registered. They say it's illegal to take a car out of normal road-use service, then modify it for use on race tracks or off-road racing unless, of course, it can still pass all emissions requirements for that year and model.

Thus the "Recognizing the Protection of Motorsports Act (RPM Act)" that Congress has so far totally failed to pass--guaranteeing the right to turn your vehicle into a non-highway-use "race car"; and the right to manufacture parts and supplies to do so.
 

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If its a 96 its OBD2.
Even if they dont do a visual,
It wont pass with any code of any type.
Im in washington State but Im pretty sure that is a fed rule.
The other thing to keep in mind on an OBD2 is that it wont pass untill all of the "registers" for the system are ready.
This is what happens when you disconnect the battery to repair something, and then take it straight to emissions testing and it fails.
If that happened here, they would tell you to go drive it around for a week and try again.
It has to go through a "Drive Cycle" before all of those registers switch from "Not Ready" to "Ready"
No matter what is going on, No data or history from any system is an automatic fail.

The "Drive Cycle" for a vehicle varies depending on the manufacturer.
The GM drive cycle looks rather complicated.
Its been a few years but I remember it being something like...
Cold start at a certain outside temp and relative humidty and then 15 mph and decelerate 3 times then accelerate to 50 and decelerate to idle and touch the dashboard three times with your left toe while holding a conoe paddle and a bunch of other nonsense.
You can do a GM drive cycle in one day with a cheap OBD2 code reader as long as it shows you live data and sensor status.
The ECM recieves and stores different data from each sensor depending on what you are doing.
So cold data and hot data at speed versus idle etc...
Start it cold and take it for a normal drive on city streets, get on the freeway and drive like normal, get off the freeway and go back to city streets etc...
Go back on the freeway and take the next exit.
Basically you want to put the vehicle through every normal type of driving untill your code scanner shows all of those readiness moniters being okay.
About 15 years ago I bought 5 chevy fleet trucks that were dead as disco and ran all 5 of them through emissions in 2 days just by putting new batterys in and driving the piss out of them.
On some vehicles, like friggen volkswagon, when you shut it off you loose the O2 moniter.
It will always be not ready at start
It comes back after restart but it made me think it was a fail.
Friggen car.
None of this will make you instantly pass emissions.
You still have to pass the test.
This just keeps you from instantly failing the test before they even test it.
We dont have emissions testing in Washington anymore.
Which is just as shocking as hell.
But a couple of years ago when we did you had 3 chances to pass and if you failed for whatever reason you had to take your car to a shop and give them 150 bucks to get an emissions exemption which pretty much made the car un-sellable and worthless.
Very, very few of these cars failed from actual excessive emissions.
They failed because of a stored or active OBD2 code.
And, most of the cars and trucks that got crushed during the "Cash for Clunkers" program were cars that probably needed a new starter or a water pump
Whatever you do and no matter how frustrating it may get keep your truck.
The supply is starting to get pretty thin.
Twenty years from now.
You will wish like hell you still had it.
My high school car was a 1969 roadrunner 383 4 barrel bucket seat console car.
Forrest green with a green interior.
I sold that car for 800 bucks.
About two weeks ago I met up with some old high school freinds at our local bar.
Including my friend who had a 1963 409 4 speed impala back then.
A bucket, console SS car.
I drove the friggen toyota corrolla and he showed up in a prious.
I should have brought the lawnmower.
At least it makes some noise.
Hang on to your ******* cars and trucks kids.
There is a time coming really soon when you will not be able to find or afford another one.
Disco is DEAD? I have to get out more.
 

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Disco is DEAD? I have to get out more.
Disco is aint dead its just dangerious.
Dont trip on your heels and flare bottoms and boogie woogie your hip out of place.
Nobody wants to see that feathered hair face planted
 
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