My Flat Tappet Cam Wiped Out So I Decided To Go Roller

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That's just marketing to sell additives. ZDDP isn't a magical cure all. There's a lot more than just oil which attributes to flat tappet lobes wiping out. Never add stuff to oil, and this is coming from a person who added Motor Kote to his oil. Adding stuff to oil compromises it more than it helps, often cutting the film strength of it in half. Motor Kote does in fact increase film strength, but it ends up being corrosive to the softer metals and so once I learned that, I stopped adding it. Got my information from 540rat, he's got a blog out there and has tested 100's of oils.
 

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Eastwood and I’m sure others as well sell an additive called zddp to stop the wear out of the flat tappet lobes
There's more to it than just adding ZDDP. Unless you use plain dino oil, the detergents in modern oil will wipe ZDDP out of the pores in the cam rendering it useless.

Here's an interesting video posted by @Erik the Awful - thanks for that.
 

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Yeah, I ran ZDDP in Valvoline 30W oil, broke the cam in right - 20 minutes ranging between 2000 - 2500 RPM. Changed the oil and filter with the same stuff, ran for 500 miles, rinse and repeat for 2000 miles. Then went to European spec Mobil1 0W-40 which has higher Zinc and Phosphorus than standard Mobil1 oils. ~8,000 miles later 1 lifter flattened out and another collapsed. IDK if it was due to oil, over-revving the springs, etc.
 

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Yeah, I ran ZDDP in Valvoline 30W oil, broke the cam in right - 20 minutes ranging between 2000 - 2500 RPM. Changed the oil and filter with the same stuff, ran for 500 miles, rinse and repeat for 2000 miles. Then went to European spec Mobil1 0W-40 which has higher Zinc and Phosphorus than standard Mobil1 oils. ~8,000 miles later 1 lifter flattened out and another collapsed. IDK if it was due to oil, over-revving the springs, etc.
Hmm, that oil is listed as having over 127k psi film strength per rat's 2019 ranking list. It was #6 out of 236 oils tested.
 

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that oil is listed as having over 127k psi film strength per rat's 2019 ranking list. It was #6 out of 236 oils tested.
Not bad plus, I can get it through Wally World for ~$30 per 5 quart jug. Do you have a link to that study?
 

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The reduced level of ZDDP was the EXCUSE given by the cam 'n' lifter suppliers, to COVER UP their outsourcing of their flat-tappet product lines to the low bidder.

Guess who.

The Communist Chinese could screw up ANYTHING. So they sent shiploads of lifters to us that were too soft, or otherwise defective, and of course the Communist Collaborators in this country did nothing for Quality Assurance inspections because that would cost money.

Since DEFECTIVE PRODUCT would be covered by "manufacturer's (actually the reseller's) warranty", various "Cam companies" blamed ZDDP and the EPA for what was really a junk lifter and perhaps a junk cam core problem. Then they look like heroes for actually supplying a warranty replacement cam and lifter set; or they have a reason to deny warranty in some cases.

Yes, the EPA did require lower levels of ZDDP in most motor oil, due to "poisoning" the catalytic converter. (How much oil does an engine have to burn for the ZDDP to affect the catalyst?) So the EPA became a convenient scapegoat for the Junk Lifter (and perhaps Junk Cam Core) Plague.

I'm not saying that junk cam cores never happened before the Communists got involved. Chevy had notorious cam failures in the late-'70s, early '80s. Thank God for "secret warranties" where the vehicles weren't recalled like they should have been, you only got "assistance" if you showed up at a GM dealership and bittched.

Corporate America has never been big on ethics...
 
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Since DEFECTIVE PRODUCT would be covered by "manufacturer's (actually the reseller's) warranty", various "Cam companies" blamed ZDDP and the EPA for what was really a junk lifter and perhaps a junk cam core problem. Then they look like heroes for actually supplying a warranty replacement cam and lifter set; or they have a reason to deny warranty in some cases.
Did you watch the video Erik posted on this thread? The guy on it said he checked Rockwell hardness on 100s of lifters and cams without finding any soft ones. He emphatically said, there's no evidence of soft metallurgy causing flat tappet cams' failure and challenged anyone to show proof of that.

Watch the video, it's really eye opening, at least for me it was :33:
 
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