Disc brake upgrade

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Schurkey

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Something like the Pro Performance kit is closer. Note that the abutment bracket takes the load, which is then transferred back into the adapter bracket from the kit. https://www.streettrucksmag.com/88-98-obs-chevy-disc-big-brake-conversion-freeman-fabrication/
Note the different caliper--pad philosophy, showing how GM has evolved their brake program.

The older disc brakes--like the amateurish Little Shop of Horrors kit uses--had the pads trapped in the caliper; then GM properly braced the caliper so it didn't twist from brake-torque reaction. The crime LSoH commits is that they don't brace the caliper like GM did.

The newer disc brakes--that are used in the Street Truck article, conversion parts made by Freeman--trap the pads in a second, solid iron bracket with no rubber O-rings or screw-in pins, that was designed from the beginning--by COMPETENT engineers--to accept brake torque on the inboard side. The caliper itself has no brake torque, it does nothing but clamp the pads. The adapter brackets that locate the caliper and transfer brake torque to the steering knuckle or the rear axle housing may or may not be stiff enough (I don't know...but they seem to be OK) but unlike the LSoH kit, they don't change the way the rest of the caliper mounting was intended to work.

LSoH needs a biitch-slap for not understanding how GM set up the older calipers.
 
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Here's the link to their website if you want to tell them your opinion on their product that you don't own.


Here's the link to their website if you want to tell them your opinion on their product that you don't own.


You seem more than a little invested in getting me to complain to LSoH on your behalf. Three posts on that, alone.

[UPDATE:] FOUR posts on that alone.[/UPDATE]


YOU are the one that got "had" by piss-poor engineering. YOU contact 'em.







Awww, hell. Fine, I'll do it for you. Advocacy is one of the many services I offer.

Sent to:
[email protected]

There's a thread on ww.GMT400.com that involves your product.

One of your customers insists I contact you with my concerns about the design deficiency I'm seeing, 'cause he's too embarrassed to do it himself..

You might want to have a look at this thread to provide a rebuttal, and a description of your engineering background/engineering degree(s) since your customer considers them crucial:
https://www.gmt400.com/threads/disc-brake-upgrade.57241/
 
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Good now he can see what an rambling opinionated idiot you are.

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Speaking as a person who's installed their rear disc caliper conversion, I'd have to respectfully disagree with this statement:
...the brakes were night and day better on every one of them. Even with OEM proportioning valve, with or without the mod. done to it...
I believe the rear disc conversion kit is more of an aesthetic thing rather than a functionality mod. I saw little to no improvement after installing the kit and going through that headache to bleed the calipers (this was a total b*tch)... not to mention the horror story of getting my e-brake functioning (the kit wasn't as straight forward as they advertised... of course). In fact, I have a whole write-up with my thoughts and opinions on the kit, and I still stand behind it. As a kit, if you were to install it thinking your stopping distance is going to be noticeably reduced, you would be sorely mistaken. But if you were to install the kit to have the cool look of disc brakes, then sure go for it. For the money, is it worth it? Probably not. Nothing scientific behind my disagreement either, just a person sharing their opinions on the same kit.

As far as Schurkey mentioned with the caliper mounting pins having tons of stress and strain, I haven't experienced any signs of failure yet. I most likely will never encounter the adverse effects of this either as I plan on doing away with this whole kit in the next few years (I don't put THAT many miles on my truck per year anymore).

Since I'm a little older and a little wiser... had I known what it would've entailed to install that expensive kit, I would've stuck to my factory garbage drums, OR looked for better alternative kits for the money. Hindsight is 20/20. So yeah, definitely with @Schurkey on this. Kit isn't worth the money and there are much, MUCH better alternatives out there. Not to mention, if you're doing it for aesthetic reasons, there are safer methods to getting disc brakes.
 

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Good explanation @DJackson1357 . I was having a hard time trying to visualize 'what is what" on the first photos that have been posted; I can now see what you and @Schurkey pointed out.

The little chrome pins basically cantilever out to the center of the rotor from the plates. The dynamic load on braking is transferred in shear AND bending (combined stressed) through those pins alone.

On the OEM design and the aftermarket design you posted, the same load is transferred directly by the heavy casting of the caliper and in pure shear by the large bolts. In addition, on the aftermarket design, the load has to make its way though that zinc-plated plate; but again, seems like a direct shear transfer (no bending.)

I'm not a (mechanical) engineer, but that's what I see from a fundamental theory of dynamics and mechanics of materials. It doesn't seem like a big change, but I bet if you do a finite element modeling of each design and apply a significant load, the stresses of each design would be wildly different. I would expect the pins to deflect under heavy loading and the front brakes actually taking most of stopping load. That's just my guess though.
 

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Speaking as a person who's installed their rear disc caliper conversion, I'd have to respectfully disagree with this statement:

I believe the rear disc conversion kit is more of an aesthetic thing rather than a functionality mod. I saw little to no improvement after installing the kit and going through that headache to bleed the calipers (this was a total b*tch)... not to mention the horror story of getting my e-brake functioning (the kit wasn't as straight forward as they advertised... of course). In fact, I have a whole write-up with my thoughts and opinions on the kit, and I still stand behind it. As a kit, if you were to install it thinking your stopping distance is going to be noticeably reduced, you would be sorely mistaken. But if you were to install the kit to have the cool look of disc brakes, then sure go for it. For the money, is it worth it? Probably not. Nothing scientific behind my disagreement either, just a person sharing their opinions on the same kit.

As far as Schurkey mentioned with the caliper mounting pins having tons of stress and strain, I haven't experienced any signs of failure yet. I most likely will never encounter the adverse effects of this either as I plan on doing away with this whole kit in the next few years (I don't put THAT many miles on my truck per year anymore).

Since I'm a little older and a little wiser... had I known what it would've entailed to install that expensive kit, I would've stuck to my factory garbage drums, OR looked for better alternative kits for the money. Hindsight is 20/20. So yeah, definitely with @Schurkey on this. Kit isn't worth the money and there are much, MUCH better alternatives out there. Not to mention, if you're doing it for aesthetic reasons, there are safer methods to getting disc brakes.

Curt,

I respect your opinion and the fact you didn't make it personal.

It is an aesthetic thing but not as dangerous as some believe.


Thanks
 
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Know what the common denominator of the vehicles without rear brakes was? Front discs, rear drums and a lack of maintenance (not by me).
 
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