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Recently I got this ‘96 C1500 and has been having some issues. First, turn signals don’t work, switched the bulbs but that didn’t help so I think it has to do with the wiring. My main issue is the battery. It keeps dying very fast if I don’t turn the truck on everyday or two. Should I keep recharging the battery or give up on it and buy a new one? I recently just got the battery recharged at autozone this Tuesday and now it’s dead again after not turning it on yesterday.
 

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theres a few common trouble spots for killing a battery. first is the glove box light. is it going off when the door is closed? the glove boxes kind of comes apart and then the pin does not line up correctly and it doesn't shut off. screw it all back together and it should work again or, remove the bulb.

the vanity lights on the sunvisors. they have lights on either side of the mirror. you might notice the drivers side on if you look up at night or forget the visor down and see it at night... but you probably will never look at the passanger side mirror almost ever. maybe a passanger will but not you. those lights might be on all the time. realigne the mirror covers so the pin makes contact with the cover and they should go off.

another is the underhood light, if it is not bent just right then it will be on all the time. it's a mercury filled switch that makes contact when the hood is lifted and turns off when the hood is closed. if this light is on, carefully bend the bracket so it turns off.

I have seen all of these things happen more than once on more than one of these trucks including all 3 at once. if all 3 problem areas are on all the time, it will kill the battery in 24 hours if the truck isn't started.

I also swapped all of the interior bulbs to LEDS after my kids left a bulb on in the back.
 

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Thousands of years ago, I diagnosed dying batteries every work day as part of my job. Therefore, I tend to take an extremist approach.

1. What is the charging voltage, and max loaded amperage output of the alternator?

2. Is there excessive AC voltage (Ripple) on the alternator output? Excess ripple indicates diode problems; the battery can drain by having power flow "backwards" through defective diodes.

3. Battery cable clamps free of corrosion, and tight? The battery terminals, and the clamps where they touch the battery terminals, should be bright and shiny--not green/fuzzy, not black, not matte grey.

4. Insert a low-amperage probe--either the 10-amp ammeter built-into most multimeters; or a low-amps inductive clamp--into/onto one battery cable. Verify the amount of current drain (Parasitic loss) when the truck is shut off, doors closed, lights off, etc. When everything has been turned-off for thirty seconds or a minute, there should be almost no amperage draw. 1 amp is too much. 1/2 amp is too much. 1/4 amp or less could be OK. 50 milliamps is definitely ok. Older vehicles had "zero" amps; newer stuff uses a tiny bit of power to keep computer memory alive. If the parasitic drain is excessive, you'll pull fuses one at a time until the drain goes away. The fuse that stops the drain, is the circuit that has a fault. But not every circuit is protected by a fuse. Sometimes finding the drain really sucks.

5. Older batteries accumulate conductive slime on the plastic battery case. The battery will self-discharge through the conductive slime between the two battery posts. WASH THE BATTERY CASE using hot water and a touch of baking soda; or a commercially-available battery cleaning spray.

6.[more later gotta go...

6 continued. Test the battery. A failing battery may not hold a charge, or may not accept a charge. Because I'm old, I prefer the old-style testers as described below. They actually measure what's important. There are new-style testers that "calculate" battery capacity using conductance/impedance/voodoo. The new testers are small, hand-held, look like something out of Star Trek. I don't trust 'em.

7. Verify starter draw. The old in-line high-torque starters would pull up to 225 amps; generally around 180--200. The newer mini-starters draw less current; perhaps 160 amps.

In the end, you'll have tested the alternator, battery, starter; the wire harness that connects them. And also, you'll have verified that the rest of the electrical system isn't pulling power it's not supposed to. It's fairly common to find multiple faults--the battery/starter/charging power team is totally interconnected--a failure of one part often leads to a failure of another part. For example, "shorted" alternator diodes reduce alternator output, and create a battery-draining short circuit. The alternator failure results in a chronically-undercharged battery that sulfates and then has reduced cranking capacity. Then the starter cranks slowly. So "fixing the starter" may mean replacing the battery and alternator.
 
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Get the battery load tested. Most auto parts stores will do this for free. If it fails the test then it's probably just time for a new battery.

If you want the ability to do this yourself you can buy a cheap carbon pile load tester from Harbor Freight. It's nothing fancy and the clamps are pretty flimsy but it does the job. $50 well spent IMO.

https://www.harborfreight.com/500-amp-carbon-pile-load-tester-91129.html

Basically you connect the terminals, verify voltage, then crank the knob until you're drawing 50% of the rated cold cranking amperage of the battery you're testing and watch the voltage. If it drops into the red on the gauge, the battery needs replacement.
 

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Note that my previous post has been heavily edited.

Get the battery load tested. Most auto parts stores will do this for free. If it fails the test then it's probably just time for a new battery.
Yes...IF (big IF) the parts-guy knows what he's doing; and doesn't fudge the test in order to sell you a new battery.
Basically you connect the terminals, verify voltage, then crank the knob until you're drawing 50% of the rated cold cranking amperage of the battery you're testing and watch the voltage. If it drops into the red on the gauge, the battery needs replacement.
Sort of. The process of good ol' load-testing of batteries has certain complications.

Battery has to be fully charged, and you need to know the temperature of the battery. 12.6--12.7 for open-circuit voltage. If the battery is freshly-charged, you'll need to pull 50 amps for five seconds to remove the surface charge.

Determine the rated Cold Cranking Amps (CCA) of the battery. Divide by two. Example: A 700 CCA battery is tested by pulling 350 amps through the carbon pile FOR FIFTEEN SECONDS. Be accurate in your timing.

The voltage at the end of testing is recorded, and compared to a chart that compensates for battery temperature. A cold battery will have lower voltage than a warm or hot battery. If possible, test the battery at room temperature. Again, that's BATTERY temperature, not ambient temp.

If you use the new-style testers all the charge/temperature/amperage stuff is moot; you just connect the machine and wait three seconds for it to spit out an answer. Simple, easy, no-training...a monkey could do it. Which is why those machines are popular.

I still don't trust 'em.
 
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Thousands of years ago, I diagnosed dying batteries every work day as part of my job.

How did you avoid all the dinosaurs???

2. Is there excessive AC voltage (Ripple) on the alternator output? Excess ripple indicates diode problems; the battery can drain by having power flow "backwards" through defective diodes.

I've accidentally checked AC voltage because my Fluke defaults to AC, and sometimes I forget about it. What would you call excessive for AC voltage? I can't recall a number off hand.
 

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Note that my previous post has been heavily edited.


Yes...IF (big IF) the parts-guy knows what he's doing; and doesn't fudge the test in order to sell you a new battery.

Sort of. The process of good ol' load-testing of batteries has certain complications.

Battery has to be fully charged, and you need to know the temperature of the battery. 12.6--12.7 for open-circuit voltage. If the battery is freshly-charged, you'll need to pull 50 amps for five seconds to remove the surface charge.

Determine the rated Cold Cranking Amps (CCA) of the battery. Divide by two. Example: A 700 CCA battery is tested by pulling 350 amps through the carbon pile FOR FIFTEEN SECONDS. Be accurate in your timing.

The voltage at the end of testing is recorded, and compared to a chart that compensates for battery temperature. A cold battery will have lower voltage than a warm or hot battery. If possible, test the battery at room temperature. Again, that's BATTERY temperature, not ambient temp.

If you use the new-style testers all the charge/temperature/amperage stuff is moot; you just connect the machine and wait three seconds for it to spit out an answer. Simple, easy, no-training...a monkey could do it. Which is why those machines are popular.

I still don't trust 'em.
That’s why I bought my own(load tester). I always felt like what are they gonna say at the parts store “no, we don’t need to sell you a new battery”. No offense to anyone here who works at one, it’s just I don’t know them!
 

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The voltage at the end of testing is recorded, and compared to a chart that compensates for battery temperature.

Not necessary with the tester I linked, they've already labeled the go/no go zones of the voltage gauge for several different battery temperature ranges. As long as you know the approximate battery temp you can just watch the gauge as you're running the test and make sure the needle stays in the green for the temperature range that applies to your situation.

You are 100% correct regarding the particulars of load testing though.
 
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