Wobbly Seat Rails?

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I just installed a 95 bench seat and carpet into my 94. Bolted right in, no issues. However, once I sat down in it I felt it could wiggle back and forth, like a teeter, not front to back. I looked under and the sliding seat rails had some wiggle room. Is this a common issue? how can I mend this? (here is the seat in question)
 

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How wobbly is the teeter? These seats, being the age that they are, will all have some play. But even still, there shouldn't be an extreme amount of play unless there is a prob.
There's several things to check. They all involve pulling the seat back out.
-Are the tracks bolted tight to the bottom of the seat?
-Are the tracks tight to the uprights?
Seeing as you just installed them, I wouldn't think that the uprights to floor bolts would be loose.
If all that's good, then it's in the tracks themselves. That can be caused by a few things.
-The seats have been in an accicdent. The weight of even a fairly small person being thrown forward & then back into the seat can cause damage to any part of the seat. The seat frames, backrest hinges, tracks or the uprights.
-The seats were in a truck owned by a rather large person. Sometimes the damage caused by that can be the equivelent of an accident, but just occuring over a longer period.

The tracks consist of 2 slides that work in conjunction. The outer edges of the uppers wrap around the edges of the lowers. An accident or large person can cause the edges which wrap around to spread, creating play. You could try to tighten the edges up by a few whacks with a decent sized hammer down the length of those edges. That may or may not work. Don't bend the edges too much or the tracks won't work at all.
Inside the tracks are a couple of rollers. They can cause problems with excessive play. Most owners never check to see if there is enough grease in there for the rollers to roll on. The rollers push the grease out of the travel area over time. Once that happens, it's metal on metal & it's the rollers that take the brunt of that. No grease & they can stop rolling & are just sliding, creating a flat spot on the roller.

Also, the rollers can become jammed up inside the track. If this happens & one or the other is stuck towards the middle of the track, it becomes a pivot point.

GM tracks also have been known to actually spit a roller out. (2 per track.) At either end of the track is a stamped bump which is there to prevent such. It doesn't always work. Check to see if the tracks actually do have 2 rollers a piece.

Working on tracks can be a PitA. Sometimes it's easier to just pick up another set in better shape.

Did you replace a bench seat with this one? Did it have any play in the tracks? Any weeble/wobble? If not, then I'd just swap them over from the original seat to this new one.

With all that said...I love that style of seat you installed. I have several seats for 400's in the stash, from early style benches to early & late style buckets.
In 18 years or so of owning 400's, I've only ever found 2 of those benches. Because...Canada!
One was thrashed (Dog inhaled 75% of it!) & the other was (at the time, I thought) too expensive. $200.00. If I'd of known what I know now, I would of gladly coughed up that price!
I've been keeping my eyes open for one since. I don't care what shape it's in. The one the JYD's been sleeping on. Caught on fire & the only thing left is the frame. I don't care! I can make it purdy again!
Finding one of those seats is akin to finding a set of 454SS buckets. They just don't come up for sale around here.
Color me jealous!
 

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How wobbly is the teeter? These seats, being the age that they are, will all have some play. But even still, there shouldn't be an extreme amount of play unless there is a prob.
There's several things to check. They all involve pulling the seat back out.
-Are the tracks bolted tight to the bottom of the seat?
-Are the tracks tight to the uprights?
Seeing as you just installed them, I wouldn't think that the uprights to floor bolts would be loose.
If all that's good, then it's in the tracks themselves. That can be caused by a few things.
-The seats have been in an accicdent. The weight of even a fairly small person being thrown forward & then back into the seat can cause damage to any part of the seat. The seat frames, backrest hinges, tracks or the uprights.
-The seats were in a truck owned by a rather large person. Sometimes the damage caused by that can be the equivelent of an accident, but just occuring over a longer period.

The tracks consist of 2 slides that work in conjunction. The outer edges of the uppers wrap around the edges of the lowers. An accident or large person can cause the edges which wrap around to spread, creating play. You could try to tighten the edges up by a few whacks with a decent sized hammer down the length of those edges. That may or may not work. Don't bend the edges too much or the tracks won't work at all.
Inside the tracks are a couple of rollers. They can cause problems with excessive play. Most owners never check to see if there is enough grease in there for the rollers to roll on. The rollers push the grease out of the travel area over time. Once that happens, it's metal on metal & it's the rollers that take the brunt of that. No grease & they can stop rolling & are just sliding, creating a flat spot on the roller.

Also, the rollers can become jammed up inside the track. If this happens & one or the other is stuck towards the middle of the track, it becomes a pivot point.

GM tracks also have been known to actually spit a roller out. (2 per track.) At either end of the track is a stamped bump which is there to prevent such. It doesn't always work. Check to see if the tracks actually do have 2 rollers a piece.

Working on tracks can be a PitA. Sometimes it's easier to just pick up another set in better shape.

Did you replace a bench seat with this one? Did it have any play in the tracks? Any weeble/wobble? If not, then I'd just swap them over from the original seat to this new one.

With all that said...I love that style of seat you installed. I have several seats for 400's in the stash, from early style benches to early & late style buckets.
In 18 years or so of owning 400's, I've only ever found 2 of those benches. Because...Canada!
One was thrashed (Dog inhaled 75% of it!) & the other was (at the time, I thought) too expensive. $200.00. If I'd of known what I know now, I would of gladly coughed up that price!
I've been keeping my eyes open for one since. I don't care what shape it's in. The one the JYD's been sleeping on. Caught on fire & the only thing left is the frame. I don't care! I can make it purdy again!
Finding one of those seats is akin to finding a set of 454SS buckets. They just don't come up for sale around here.
Color me jealous!

The old seat was the factory vinyl bench which was shredded but the rails worked fine. It wasnt in an accident, the truck I took it from was all original but had no title. Not the work of an overweight person, I'd feel a difference between the drivers and passengers side, but I dont. I beleive it would be unnoticeable with two people, but with the windows rolled up, radio and air off, I can feel a slight teeter and hear a quiet clunk of the rails. But it has to be quiet, and holy hell does having carpet make a difference in sound! The tracks still move, they still sling forward with the force of a thousand suns when nobody is in the seat. So theyre fine, but its almost as if there used to be a plastic rail or something that disintegrated over time (like 3rd gen camaro hatch latches) and just allows for play. Its so minor I might leave it alone, I'm just picky over fit-and-finish. But in theory can I just add some grease to the tracks? Or would it be best to salvage parts from my old seat? The old seat was mechanically perfect, but cosmetically a dumpster fire
 

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If it really bugs you, & the original seat didn't have the wobble, I'd grease up the tracks (lithium) from the original seat & see what happens when they're installed under the new seat.
A tip. Undo that big spring under the seat before working on it. If the track is at the front of the travel (Fully back in the truck) & you were to accidently hit the track release when the seat is on the bench, the tracks will fly forward hard enough to do serious damage to digits.
 

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If it really bugs you, & the original seat didn't have the wobble, I'd grease up the tracks (lithium) from the original seat & see what happens when they're installed under the new seat.
A tip. Undo that big spring under the seat before working on it. If the track is at the front of the travel (Fully back in the truck) & you were to accidently hit the track release when the seat is on the bench, the tracks will fly forward hard enough to do serious damage to digits.

They are some powerful springs for sure. I might just grease up the tracks and leave it alone. I typically drive radio on and windows down, so I'll never hear it
 

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Windows down and the radio up and I can hear the littlest squeaks. I have a tuned ear for noises that shouldn't be there lol
 

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Windows down and the radio up and I can hear the littlest squeaks. I have a tuned ear for noises that shouldn't be there lol

I can hear it. Then again the multitude of broken clips and brittle 25+ year old plastics add to the creaks and rattles. I need to do a lot of trim repair and need to get some new pieces for some spots. I’ll eventually swap out the rails from my old seat if they bolt right in but I don’t feel like taking the seat out right after getting it in. Too much work for a minor issue. My next focus on interior is repainting and fixing my audio setup. After then I may revisit the seat if it doesn’t drive me crazy by then
 
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