Another TBI running rich

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I just went through similar drama with my truck. In the end it ended up being a rolled and split o-ring on 1 injector. The split o-ring leaked a little at idle and blocked 50% of fuel feed at load. I replaced just about every sensor and the fuel pump before I finally decided to pull the injectors in desperation. The spray patern looked good in the shop, but on the road it didn't run quite right.

It would start and die 3 times before it would hold an idle. I would put my foot in it and it would run like crap for 10 seconds then idle fine. After getting it going it would miss until it warmed up and then run mostly okay.
 

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I cant do that with a stock ECM, right? I have a friend that is building tuning kits. He's now started selling them but hasnt got to a TBI yet.
 

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I just went through similar drama with my truck. In the end it ended up being a rolled and split o-ring on 1 injector. The split o-ring leaked a little at idle and blocked 50% of fuel feed at load. I replaced just about every sensor and the fuel pump before I finally decided to pull the injectors in desperation. The spray patern looked good in the shop, but on the road it didn't run quite right.

It would start and die 3 times before it would hold an idle. I would put my foot in it and it would run like crap for 10 seconds then idle fine. After getting it going it would miss until it warmed up and then run mostly okay.

Interesting. I had this problem, so I took the injectors and sent to to a local, well recommended injector guy. He said they were bad, but the problem still existed afterwards. I wish I had a spare TBI....hmmm....maybe I can borrow one somewhere. I really dont believe its that though.
 

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Is you IAC valve working correctly? Ground ALDL terms A to B turn the Key on engine off, let the IAC fully extend and unplug it. Start the truck and see if it will idle
 

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I changed everything there is to change, out of desperation. Process of elimination is what it came to, then finances got tight, lol.

No code and I have looked at the data stream. No modifications and fuel pressure is within specs. Mind you, this is not a random thing. It happens like clock work everytime i start it. I can tel by the outside temp when its going to happen. Actually, when its 40 or so, it barely will start because its in "that mode". Which makes me think it is strictly temperature related.

Here is some data where it does its thing. The erratic rpms I think are where it tries to die, but not sure: https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/16Q3wX1Qvnb-RnP3TOunDf5LK4Fiq-Ky7?usp=sharing


Is this a temp related problem? Is it possible that the ECT sensor is slewed?
 

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IAC is fine, tried a couple of them. ECT sensor? It is temp related, and by that I mean cold engine starting. IF you stop and let it get cool enough, it will do it then too.
 

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IAC is fine, tried a couple of them. ECT sensor? It is temp related, and by that I mean cold engine starting. IF you stop and let it get cool enough, it will do it then too.

I asked if the truck will idle with the IAC pintel fully seated and unplugged not if the IAC is functioning.There are many things that can cause your problem and with out being able to see and hear it in person it is a process of elimination.
 

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I asked if the truck will idle with the IAC pintel fully seated and unplugged not if the IAC is functioning.There are many things that can cause your problem and with out being able to see and hear it in person it is a process of elimination.

Valid point. When I rebuilt my TBI it ran like crap so I searched and found the IAC relearn procedure on here and it fixed it. Replacing the IAC does no good if you don’t teach the computer.


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Working on a 3 yr problem that no one can figure out.

1993 5.7 TBI. Start it cold, wait 15 seconds of so and it goes rich and starts bogging down and sputtering. Hold the throttle down for 30 seconds then it gets past that issue and is good to go. This of course depends on the temp. When its cold, like 0, it takes longer to reach the rich stage, but its like clock work.

I'm trying to keep this simple for you, for now. I've replaced everything, at least once. Give me some ideas. Dont spend a lot of time though because I've probably already done it. If by chance I havent, then we can go into detail. ;)
I bought a bunch of tbi stuff from a guy who was going out of business.
Got it all dirt cheap and threw it on cuz why not?
Ended up with the same damn problem and its all NOS GM delco delphi
Deffinetly temperature related.
First thing, set your timing back to 0 tdc with the engine warm and the dist reference wire diconnected.
A stock GM TBI will never work right unless its at 0
When you get timing set and reconnected.
Run it for a while before you reset the idle air control.
It will run like crap but thats part on the relearn.
Make sure the pintle on the IAC is pushed in before you screw it back in.
You didnt mention if youve rebuilt the throttle body.
The passage behind the IAC gets plugged full of carbon and so does the EGR system.
Look for throttle shaft wear on the linkage side of the TBI. Really common problem. Try to wiggle it around. it shouldnt move.
A worn throttle shaft is a vacuum leak.
I spent about a week and 60 bucks on beer trying to find the "one thing" that caused the problem.
Turns out, it was about ten things that added up beyond what the computer could compensate for.
You already spent the money brother, Maybe all you need now is the beer.
Good Luck, hope it helps
 

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I asked if the truck will idle with the IAC pintel fully seated and unplugged not if the IAC is functioning.There are many things that can cause your problem and with out being able to see and hear it in person it is a process of elimination.

Sorry, its been a while. It does what its supposed to do. Isnt it supposed to run when its fully seated? A set amount of air is allowed through, if I recall correctly. Wither way, I recalibrated it a few times, then replaced it....for giggles.

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