305 Vortec to 335 stroker

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Feels like traction on this post is dying but I still don’t have a clear answer. If I were to keep the 305, what is the best way to gain some power? Is their a head/cam combo with the 305 I can use with the vortec EFI to gain some power? Outside of obviously not being able to bore to a 350...
 

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Feels like traction on this post is dying but I still don’t have a clear answer. If I were to keep the 305, what is the best way to gain some power? Is their a head/cam combo with the 305 I can use with the vortec EFI to gain some power? Outside of obviously not being able to bore to a 350...

You could pull the heads and send them out for a pro port and polish for $1K give or take(again you can buy nice heads for a 350 ready to go for that and really rock and roll) , $300 for cam springs etc, some incidentals and be 2/3 of the way to the cost of a Gm vortec crate engine and still have less power. Cams with more duration then stock can be detrimental to the 305's already anemic low end torque. This can make for one sluggish pig of an engine if you don't look at torque converters, gearing etc.. So there's that.

Originality in this situation doesn't mean much as you're not dealing with a Yenko Nova or some such beast.

The thread is dying because instead of accepting the information presented in this thread your still phishing for the justifications and answers you want to hear.

Several have basically said there is little hp gain for the dollar spent with a 305. Which is correct but it's your money.
 
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Google it! There are stroked 305s out there that make good horsepower. It can be done but it might not be economical. Vortec heads, a good intake and cam some porting and headers might still get you in the 300+ hp range without stroking.

https://www.route66hotrodhigh.com/305.html
 
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Feels like traction on this post is dying but I still don’t have a clear answer. If I were to keep the 305, what is the best way to gain some power? Is their a head/cam combo with the 305 I can use with the vortec EFI to gain some power? Outside of obviously not being able to bore to a 350...
Stock heads just need a little cleanup work and a decent valve job.

You can run a 4.3 S10 converter from the matching year S10 or Astro van in your 4L60E.

The long stroke of a 305 can tolerate a fairly decent cam before low-end torque is greatly reduced.

The L30 I setup had some roller lifters that were failing. I put a 218/218 @ 0.050 flat tappet cam into it and later ended up swapping Rhoads original lifters into it. I ran 1.6 full roller rockers. The Marine L30 used the 395' cam like the one used in the Ramjet/HT383. Made substantially more HP and TQ than a truck 305 Vortec. The marine L30 made 260 hp and ~310 TQ with s very similar overall torque curve. I had a Volant intake and long tube headers into dual 2.5" pipes and 2.5" thunderbolt high flow cats into a dual 2.5" in/single 3" out muffler on my Tahoe with the 305. I ported the stock lower intake. The S10 converter stalled about 2,500 rpm behind it. It had decent low-end torque even with 3.42 hears and 32" tall tires. The cam really came on above 3,000 rpm compared to the stock cam yet with the Rhoads lifters had just as much low-end as the stock cam and I set the WOT shift points to 5,500 rpm. At 70 mph it would loaf along at 1,750 rpm and I rarely found it kicking down to maintain speed. I pulled a 5,000 lbs trailer a few times with it. I would put the shifter in 3rd and go. It took a little RPM to get rolling from a stop but ran down the road really well at 2,500 rpm @ 70 in 3rd and would downshift to 2nd on hills but had no problem holding 70 mph uphill in 2nd gear at ~4,100 rpm.
 
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Stock heads just need a little cleanup work and a decent valve job.

You can run a 4.3 S10 converter from the matching year S10 or Astro van in your 4L60E.

The long stroke of a 305 can tolerate a fairly decent cam before low-end torque is greatly reduced.

The L30 I setup had some roller lifters that were failing. I put a 218/218 @ 0.050 flat tappet cam into it and later ended up swapping Rhoads original lifters into it. I ran 1.6 full roller rockers. The Marine L30 used the 395' cam like the one used in the Ramjet/HT383. Made substantially more HP and TQ than a truck 305 Vortec. The marine L30 made 260 hp and ~310 TQ with s very similar overall torque curve. I had a Volant intake and long tube headers into dual 2.5" pipes and 2.5" thunderbolt high flow cats into a dual 2.5" in/single 3" out muffler on my Tahoe with the 305. I ported the stock lower intake. The S10 converter stalled about 2,500 rpm behind it. It had decent low-end torque even with 3.42 hears and 32" tall tires. The cam really came on above 3,000 rpm compared to the stock cam yet with the Rhoads lifters had just as much low-end as the stock cam and I set the WOT shift points to 5,500 rpm. At 70 mph it would loaf along at 1,750 rpm and I rarely found it kicking down to maintain speed. I pulled a 5,000 lbs trailer a few times with it. I would put the shifter in 3rd and go. It took a little RPM to get rolling from a stop but ran down the road really well at 2,500 rpm @ 70 in 3rd and would downshift to 2nd on hills but had no problem holding 70 mph uphill in 2nd gear at ~4,100 rpm.

Any engine can be bumped up but the question is, is it worth it. What is a little cleanup? A nice 3 angle and bowl cut will cost a few hundred. 218 @.050 with a set of Rhoads is pretty mild and your comparing a Mercruiser rated at 260 gross hp vs whatever the truck engines rated net hp. You're comparing apples and oranges. Compare apples to apples and the hp isn't there.

All your posts are beginning to sound the same and that is no matter what anyone else has even if it's exactly like yours that yours is somehow invariably better because that's the kind of guy you are. I get it.
 
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get a hotcam $350 (not sure on that, my research is on the 350), and have the heads and lower manifold ported and polished $500+ and add 1.6 rockers $100-200 and better valvesprings $100, with retainers $50+ and you will have to buy a headgasket and upper manifold set $150-250. you will get more power. but you will not be happy with it for the money spent ~$1250+ - probably more like $1500. vortec 350 heads decked to the max would probably still lower compression (and cost more money), and they are the cheaper better flow option.

you have been answered, you just don't like the answer.
 

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Yes it will.

It will with a sleeve job. Ive done it but its been soo long that I forgot that I had to put Titanium sleeves in and the block still didn't last long.
I also have a strong 355 that used to be a 327 in a previous life. Good luck and sorry about the confusion.
 

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Any engine can be bumped up but the question is, is it worth it. What is a little cleanup? A nice 3 angle and bowl cut will cost a few hundred. 218 @.050 with a set of Rhoads is pretty mild and your comparing a Mercruiser rated at 260 gross hp vs whatever the truck engines rated net hp. You're comparing apples and oranges. Compare apples to apples and the hp isn't there.

All your posts are beginning to sound the same and that is no matter what anyone else has even if it's exactly like yours that yours is somehow invariably better because that's the kind of guy you are. I get it.

Marine engines are Net rated, not Gross. They are run on the dyno with the restrictive log manifolds and risers, the flame arrestor, and all accessories and pumps in place. 260 HP marine rating is every bit as choked as a truck. Newer boats even have cats. It is pretty much apples to apples. The 305 marine engine makes more power at the crank than the truck engine. The only difference to the long block is the cam and the only substantially different external part is the intake manifold.

I just share what has worked for me on a budget.

218/218 flat tappet cam with rhoads lifters worked well in the 305 I built. I went through that whole 305 and freshened it up with rings and bearings included for $500 and put it in a clean 99 Tahoe that I bought cheap because it had a 350 with a broken crank. The 305 in that Tahoe would easily outrun the stock 350 in the other 99 Tahoe I had before that one.

I have also run an Elgin roller cam. E1136 IIRC that was 210/215 @ 0.050 in both a 305 and 350. It also works well but often hard to find. I had that cam in a 98 Escalade. Worked with the stock converter and ran decently on the stock tune.
 
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All your posts are beginning to sound the same and that is no matter what anyone else has even if it's exactly like yours that yours is somehow invariably better because that's the kind of guy you are. I get it.

I don't see that at all, and appreciate his input on most of his posts.

Wife won't argue with you today?
 

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How about a 4.125 stroker.... turn that tired 305 into a 360" powerhouse :hidesbehindsofa: :Plugged:
 
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