High idle with 22 inch of vacuum

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77Impala

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1989 GMC C1500 5.7 with 5 speed manual transmission.

Month ago got random stall like symptoms where the engine would sound like it quite running, Service Engine Soon light would come on. My OBD I and II code reader could not find any fault codes. Paper clip in the A/B pins of the ODL found code 32 and I replaced the MAP sensor. Ran good for a full week.

2 weeks ago the idle started going up and down with once in a while less than a second engine loosing power. Check for vacuum leaks and only found the EGR would not hold any vacuum. Replaced the EGR.

Idle going higher at or above 2K and now does not lower to normal at all. Replaced the IAC and the throttle body gasket. No change. Sprayed carb cleaner around the lower intake and no change in RPM. Checked vacuum again and getting 22 inches of vacuum measured on the Air Pump vacuum line.

Replaced TPS as well and no change.

Also the Shift lamp is not coming on for it usually tells me to up shift when I go 36 mph in 4th gear in town.

Disconnected the IAC and restarted the truck and not only did it run high idle but no Service Engine light either which I expected it to come on with no feed back from the IAC.

Currently I have the battery disconnected to see if there is a hang up on the EPROM or computer.

I am suspecting that the EPROM chip is defective? Am I looking in the correct area or have I missed something?
 
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Something is supplying too much air into the TBI for it to idle that high, so although you disconnected the IAC you should check that it is fully closed and that there's no chunk of crud or anything blocking the pintle from sealing against its seat inside the TBI.

If the IAC is closed and sealing and you still have that high idle then the throttle plates must be open. Try checking your throttle cable and cruise cable to be sure they're not hung up and that the throttle cable moves freely on its own, also try disconnecting the cruise cable as there have been somewhat rare reports of the cruise unit messing up and holding the throttle open.

I know you have a manual trans but for anyone else reading this in the future with similar problems, if you're an 88-92 light duty with automatic (700R4/4L60) be sure when disconnecting cables that you do not disconnect the throttle valve (TV) cable for the transmission; driving with this disconnected will toast your trans.

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Disconnected the cruise control which had never worked since I got the truck, no change. Checked the IAC and no debris in the port, not even a hint of carbon coloring, this TB is the cleanest I have ever seen.

How do you check to see if the IAC is fully closed?

Side note: no hissing of a vacuum leak outside of the TB unit. Very loud hiss with the air cleaner cover off of it. Throttle plates are in the fully closed position.

Computer reset and still high idling.
 

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Faulty PCM coolant temp sensor was the root of the issue. I need to find scanner that reads live data from this trucks PCM, for that would have saved me a lot of headache dealing with this issue.

Also it was code 34, not 32, that I put in the first post.
 

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Faulty PCM coolant temp sensor was the root of the issue. I need to find scanner that reads live data from this trucks PCM, for that would have saved me a lot of headache dealing with this issue.

Also it was code 34, not 32, that I put in the first post.


I believe that you mean ECM, 1989 trucks did not have an electronic transmission
 

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A laptop, ALDL cable, and TunerPro RT will show you anything you want to see in your ECM. Watch live data streams, record data for analysis, modify bin files and burn chips with the right hardware too.


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Faulty PCM coolant temp sensor was the root of the issue. I need to find scanner that reads live data from this trucks PCM, for that would have saved me a lot of headache dealing with this issue.

Also it was code 34, not 32, that I put in the first post.
I've gotten so used to always suspecting the CTS that I didn't even mention it.

You can test it with an ohmmeter, by the way. Helps if you also have an IR thermometer so you can scan around that area of the intake to see what actual coolant temp is and then compare resistance reading of the sensor to it, and if you want to really split hairs then compare it at several stages of engine temp - cold to hot and in between, just to be sure.

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I've gotten so used to always suspecting the CTS that I didn't even mention it.

You can test it with an ohmmeter, by the way. Helps if you also have an IR thermometer so you can scan around that area of the intake to see what actual coolant temp is and then compare resistance reading of the sensor to it, and if you want to really split hairs then compare it at several stages of engine temp - cold to hot and in between, just to be sure.

Richard
This link will help to determine correct resistance readings:
https://www.thirdgen.org/forums/tbi/613982-tbi-sensor-testing-101-a.html
 

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Random high idle problem is back and I am frustrated.

Replaced the PCM temp sensor (2nd time) and its wire harness today.
Bought the ALDL to USB cable and downloaded the TunerProRT, cannot get the cable to talk to the program even though the PC see the cable and says it is in working order. With that I cannot read live data stream to see what is causing this issue.
 

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Now I have also...
Replaced O2 sensor
Replaced the throttle body to air hat gasket.
Tried a different ECM (1227747), no change.

Something is causing the computer to open the IAC to 1800-2000 rpms randomly. I have gone a day or two with it behaving and then it starts idling high again.
 
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