GMT400 to LS Harness Questions

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Yes the physical swapping in of the engine is easy, but SEAMLESSLY (so it looks as factory as possible) integrating the two harnesses is a different story. I can tell you now, it's not a three to four wire swap. From what I am looking at, there are fifteen wires on the old harness that need to be connected to twenty wires on the LS harness.

Here is what I am talking about.
PLEASE REMEMBER THIS IS FOR A 1995 MANUAL TRANSMISSION EQUIPPED SUBURBAN. If you have a 1995 Tahoe/Silverado, the pinouts are probably 99% similar. I dont know about an A/T equipped vehicle and quite frankly, I really dont want to.

GMT400 Blue ECU Connector "E" Side:
E6 - MIL - BRN/WHT
E12 - A/C Signal - DK GRN (By "signal", Im guessing this is letting the ECU know that the A/C is on?)
E13 - Brake Signal - PPL (Again, I assume this is to let the ECU know that the brakes are being appied?)
E15 - Ignition Feed - PNK (Power only when the ignition is on, except when cranking)
E16 - Battery Feed - ORN (Constant power, at all times)

GMT400 Blue ECU Connector "F" Side:
F6 - Fuel Pump Relay Control - DK GRN/WHT
F8 - 4WD Low Range Signal - GRY/BLK
F9 - Serial DATA - TAN
F13 - VSS - DK BLU
F15 - Ignition Feed - PNK
F16 - EVAP Canister Purge Control - DK GRN

GMT400 Red ECU Connector "B" Side:
B8 - ECT Signal - YEL - GRY
B10 - Cruise Signal - LT BLU/BLK
B12 - Fuel Pump Signal

There is the black connector, that goes to the DRAC, but I do not have and connot find the pinout guide to it. If anyone has one, please let me know ASAP.

LS Harness ECU Blue Connector:
19B - Ignition 1 Voltage - PNK (Im guessing that this is the same as "Ignition Feed" on the old harness.)
20B - Battery + Voltage - ORN (Again, Im guessing, that this is the same as "Battery Feed" on the old harness.)
33B - TCC Brake Signal Switch - PPL
35B - CPP Switch Signal - GRA (Clutch Signal Switch???)
57B - Battery Positive Voltage - ORN
58B - ECM/PCM/VCM Class 2 Serial DATA - DK GRN
75B - Off/Run/Crank Voltage - PNK


LS Harness ECU Red Connector:
9R - Fuel Pump Relay Control - DK GRN/WHT
10R - Engine Speed Signal (TACH) - WHT
15R - Charge Indicator - BRN
16R - 4WD Low Signal - GRY/BLK
17R - A/C Request DK GRN/WHT
19R - 4WD Front Axel Switch BLK/WHT
20R - VSS Low LT GRN/BLK
21R - VSS High PPL/WHT
34R - EVAP Canister Purge Solenoid Control DK GRN/WHT
43R - A/C Clutch Relay Control - DK GRN/WHT
45R - EVAP Canister Vent Valve Control - WHT
46R - MIL - BRN/WHT
50R - Vehicle Speed Output 4k DK GRN/WHT
55R - A/C Low Pressure Switch Signal - DK GRN

Im sitting here looking at my harnesses and now the list looks incomplete. Im going to post this now and then edit it with new info here within an hour.

Edit:
Ok, so of course my list was incomplete...I completely missed the C100 bulkhead connector. I believe it is the C100, please correct me if Im wrong. This is the connector that is under the brake booster. There are about thirty six, so hang in there.

A1 - Battery Fused Feed - RED - This goes to the area where the ECU/DRAC is located.
A2 - Ignition Feed - PNK
A3 - Battery Feed - ORN
A4 - Stoplamp Feed - LT BLU
A6 - A8 - Battery Feed - RED
B1 - Windshield Wiper Motor Feed - HIGH SPEED - PPL
B2 - Accessory Feed - YEL
B3 - Windshield Wiper Switch Signal - PULSE DELAY - BRN
B6 - Check Engine Indicator Lamp Output - BRN/WHT
B8 - Air Inlet Valve Motor Feed - DK GRN/WHT
C1 - Horn Relay Output - COIL - BLK
C2 - Neutral Safety Switch output - P/N - YEL
C3 - Charge - BRN
C4 - Oil Pressure Indicator Lamp Output - TAN
C5 - Coolant Temperature Indicator Lamp Output - DK GRN
C6 - Brake Warning Indicator Lamp Output
C7 - Ignition Feed - PNK
C8 - ABS Failure Indicator Output - LT GRN
D1 - ABS Diagnostic Signal - TAN/WHT
D2 - Cruise Control Engage Signal - LT BLU/BLK
D3 - Cluster Speed Signal (Tach?) - WHT
D6 - 4WD Front Wheel Lock Indicator - BLK/WHT
D7 - A/C Switch Output - LT GRN
D8 - Ignition Fused Feed - BRN
E1 - Ignition Feed - CRANK - YEL
E2 - Ignition Feed - PNK
E3 - Battery Fused Feed - RED
E5 - Ignition Fused Feed - BRN
E6 - VSS - Signal
E7 - VSS - Return
E8 - Fuel Pump Relay Feed - PRIME - RED

There is the C100 pinout...now Im wondering why I didnt just post a picture of the pinout list. Anyway, I think that all the ones that end in "Output", are going directly to the instrument panel, the ABS computer, or the windshield wiper controls.

So there are all the pins/wires that I believe are relevant to this swap. This is why I wrote that this is not merely a "3 to 4 wire swap". Now below, I am going to list which old pins go with which new pins. I'm pretty sure I am correct, but if I am wrong, please let me know.

E6+46R
E12+17R
E13+33B
E16+20B

F6+9R
F8+16R
F13+50R
F15/E15+19B/75B/
F16+34R

B8+74B
B10+???
B12+???
well i to am swapping an ls into a gmt400, in my case its a 2002 4.8 into a 98 1500 that had a 4.3. I to im having trouble finding how to hook everything up to the firewall plug. your post gives the most cross reference info ive found. Only thing is mine is a 98 but sill i think your on the right track. well done! also, you were wondering where the ops goes into the cab, theres a plug on the pass side of the firewall that has the tranny,ops and i think water temp wires in it. dont ask me why they put them over there, gotta make it confusing i guess. Anyway i see you posted this a couple years ago so ya probably have forgotten by now but any more info you or any one else has on what to connect to that firewall plug would be appreciated.
 

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If you haven't already, go to LS1truck.com . And search those forums. There is alot of information regarding Lsx swaps.

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well i to am swapping an ls into a gmt400, in my case its a 2002 4.8 into a 98 1500 that had a 4.3. I to im having trouble finding how to hook everything up to the firewall plug. your post gives the most cross reference info ive found. Only thing is mine is a 98 but sill i think your on the right track. well done! also, you were wondering where the ops goes into the cab, theres a plug on the pass side of the firewall that has the tranny,ops and i think water temp wires in it. dont ask me why they put them over there, gotta make it confusing i guess. Anyway i see you posted this a couple years ago so ya probably have forgotten by now but any more info you or any one else has on what to connect to that firewall plug would be appreciated.

Wow, I completely forgot about this post. I will have to update and edit my list, because I just got the truck done in April of this year! As far as the OPS goes, the '02 harness OPS plug plugs directly into the '02 LM7's OPS.

Take a look at this Facebook page, it is the reason I didn't pull out ALL my hair and the truck didn't end up in a junkyard ;-p

https://www.facebook.com/groups/607787819352393/
 

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Wow, I completely forgot about this post. I will have to update and edit my list, because I just got the truck done in April of this year! As far as the OPS goes, the '02 harness OPS plug plugs directly into the '02 LM7's OPS.

Take a look at this Facebook page, it is the reason I didn't pull out ALL my hair and the truck didn't end up in a junkyard ;-p

https://www.facebook.com/groups/607787819352393/I get ya with the pulling out your hair. I'm pretty capable, licensed mech for over 35 yrs and swapping a LS into a 98 1/2 ton has to be one of the more challenging swaps. We're keeping all the emissions, anti lock brakes...the whole deal. Making all the 98 systems hook up to the 02 is so far from a stand alone 4 wire harness it's in a different world. Just try to find pin outs on the 2002 under hood plugs, other than the red & blue pcm, the eng harness blk c2 & the c100 plug...good luck. I don't even know how much time I've spent searching for the uhfb gray c1 cab harness plug pin outs. Right now my current mystery is what to do with the org/blk fuel level sensor ground wire on the 2002 harness. This is the blk wire out of the fuel level sensor on the 98 sender, (which we're using) it just goes strait to ground on the frame. The 2002 harness ( which we're using ) goes to the blue pcm plug pin 80. I tell ya I can't wait to do this swap into a pre computer car. There's page after page after page on how to do a stand alone harness out there. Try to find all the info you need to put an LS in a 98 chev truck. Got to be a very popular swap but unless you can read schematics, that actually show plug #s, pin outs, colors ect then forget it. There are so many wires and circuits to match up its a real challenge. One little tip is to pay attention to circuit numbers. A lot of them match up....some do not. So that's my little rant, im getting close. When I get this all figured out, im going to write it all down, in plain English, black and white...this wire goes from plug so & so, pin # , color & circuit #, & function to What ever the corresponding plug , pin#, color, circuit & function and destination on the new harness is. I'll stop this post now; getting a bit carried away lol. There are other issues but I'm going to check out your Facebook link first. Thanks very much for time .
 

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Yes the physical swapping in of the engine is easy, but SEAMLESSLY (so it looks as factory as possible) integrating the two harnesses is a different story. I can tell you now, it's not a three to four wire swap. From what I am looking at, there are fifteen wires on the old harness that need to be connected to twenty wires on the LS harness.

Here is what I am talking about.
PLEASE REMEMBER THIS IS FOR A 1995 MANUAL TRANSMISSION EQUIPPED SUBURBAN. If you have a 1995 Tahoe/Silverado, the pinouts are probably 99% similar. I dont know about an A/T equipped vehicle and quite frankly, I really dont want to.

GMT400 Blue ECU Connector "E" Side:
E6 - MIL - BRN/WHT
E12 - A/C Signal - DK GRN (By "signal", Im guessing this is letting the ECU know that the A/C is on?)
E13 - Brake Signal - PPL (Again, I assume this is to let the ECU know that the brakes are being appied?)
E15 - Ignition Feed - PNK (Power only when the ignition is on, except when cranking)
E16 - Battery Feed - ORN (Constant power, at all times)

GMT400 Blue ECU Connector "F" Side:
F6 - Fuel Pump Relay Control - DK GRN/WHT
F8 - 4WD Low Range Signal - GRY/BLK
F9 - Serial DATA - TAN
F13 - VSS - DK BLU
F15 - Ignition Feed - PNK
F16 - EVAP Canister Purge Control - DK GRN

GMT400 Red ECU Connector "B" Side:
B8 - ECT Signal - YEL - GRY
B10 - Cruise Signal - LT BLU/BLK
B12 - Fuel Pump Signal

There is the black connector, that goes to the DRAC, but I do not have and connot find the pinout guide to it. If anyone has one, please let me know ASAP.

LS Harness ECU Blue Connector:
19B - Ignition 1 Voltage - PNK (Im guessing that this is the same as "Ignition Feed" on the old harness.)
20B - Battery + Voltage - ORN (Again, Im guessing, that this is the same as "Battery Feed" on the old harness.)
33B - TCC Brake Signal Switch - PPL
35B - CPP Switch Signal - GRA (Clutch Signal Switch???)
57B - Battery Positive Voltage - ORN
58B - ECM/PCM/VCM Class 2 Serial DATA - DK GRN
75B - Off/Run/Crank Voltage - PNK


LS Harness ECU Red Connector:
9R - Fuel Pump Relay Control - DK GRN/WHT
10R - Engine Speed Signal (TACH) - WHT
15R - Charge Indicator - BRN
16R - 4WD Low Signal - GRY/BLK
17R - A/C Request DK GRN/WHT
19R - 4WD Front Axel Switch BLK/WHT
20R - VSS Low LT GRN/BLK
21R - VSS High PPL/WHT
34R - EVAP Canister Purge Solenoid Control DK GRN/WHT
43R - A/C Clutch Relay Control - DK GRN/WHT
45R - EVAP Canister Vent Valve Control - WHT
46R - MIL - BRN/WHT
50R - Vehicle Speed Output 4k DK GRN/WHT
55R - A/C Low Pressure Switch Signal - DK GRN

Im sitting here looking at my harnesses and now the list looks incomplete. Im going to post this now and then edit it with new info here within an hour.

Edit:
Ok, so of course my list was incomplete...I completely missed the C100 bulkhead connector. I believe it is the C100, please correct me if Im wrong. This is the connector that is under the brake booster. There are about thirty six, so hang in there.

A1 - Battery Fused Feed - RED - This goes to the area where the ECU/DRAC is located.
A2 - Ignition Feed - PNK
A3 - Battery Feed - ORN
A4 - Stoplamp Feed - LT BLU
A6 - A8 - Battery Feed - RED
B1 - Windshield Wiper Motor Feed - HIGH SPEED - PPL
B2 - Accessory Feed - YEL
B3 - Windshield Wiper Switch Signal - PULSE DELAY - BRN
B6 - Check Engine Indicator Lamp Output - BRN/WHT
B8 - Air Inlet Valve Motor Feed - DK GRN/WHT
C1 - Horn Relay Output - COIL - BLK
C2 - Neutral Safety Switch output - P/N - YEL
C3 - Charge - BRN
C4 - Oil Pressure Indicator Lamp Output - TAN
C5 - Coolant Temperature Indicator Lamp Output - DK GRN
C6 - Brake Warning Indicator Lamp Output
C7 - Ignition Feed - PNK
C8 - ABS Failure Indicator Output - LT GRN
D1 - ABS Diagnostic Signal - TAN/WHT
D2 - Cruise Control Engage Signal - LT BLU/BLK
D3 - Cluster Speed Signal (Tach?) - WHT
D6 - 4WD Front Wheel Lock Indicator - BLK/WHT
D7 - A/C Switch Output - LT GRN
D8 - Ignition Fused Feed - BRN
E1 - Ignition Feed - CRANK - YEL
E2 - Ignition Feed - PNK
E3 - Battery Fused Feed - RED
E5 - Ignition Fused Feed - BRN
E6 - VSS - Signal
E7 - VSS - Return
E8 - Fuel Pump Relay Feed - PRIME - RED

There is the C100 pinout...now Im wondering why I didnt just post a picture of the pinout list. Anyway, I think that all the ones that end in "Output", are going directly to the instrument panel, the ABS computer, or the windshield wiper controls.

So there are all the pins/wires that I believe are relevant to this swap. This is why I wrote that this is not merely a "3 to 4 wire swap". Now below, I am going to list which old pins go with which new pins. I'm pretty sure I am correct, but if I am wrong, please let me know.

E6+46R
E12+17R
E13+33B
E16+20B

F6+9R
F8+16R
F13+50R
F15/E15+19B/75B/
F16+34R

B8+74B
B10+???
B12+???
Wow your definitely correct about the not so simple idea. Looking at your post is reminding me of all the fairly simple connections that can get confusing by just not putting plug #s, colors ect. There's alot of stuff not so obvious. For instance, on a 98 chev 1/2 ton 2wd, all, or at least most of the 4l60e wires go into the pass side firewall. Not sure of the name of the computer behind the glove box that they hook to but on the 2002 harness that goes with the running 4.8 & 4l60e were putting in the 98, all that info goes into computer under the hood. So....can we just leave the trans info unplugged from the box behind the glove box ? Will the neutral safety ect still work. That is just the tip of the iceberg. Another confusing thing is terminology. Feed & output. Simple sometimes, contradicting other times. Schematics can solve it if need be but still more waisted time. So many other things, i know the proper serial data connection for the obd2 plug but is there one for the b.c.m?
How about in the 98 fuel sending unit, its grounded to chassis. In 2002 , orn/blk wire is grounded through blue pcm plug pin 80. Should I take it off chassis & hook it to pin 80? Some of the antilock wires don't match,the 2002 blk c2 uhfb plug, pin a9 back up lamp supply, 1998 firewall plug c100 pin d3 says b/u lamp feed... confusing, like many others. I could go on and on, it's very easy to get side tracked searching for something. I just wish someone would post it all in one spot. All the little things, Speedo, horn, brake light, oil pres, water temp, a.b.s, a/c . Having said all this, the information we do get from different people on this site is so appreciated, the time that you all spend to help other people Is so amazing. Thx very much guys.
 

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Glad to see you put a nice fuel injection system in instead of them pricks that switch these trucks to crappy carbs and totally ruin the truck. Fuel injection is King nice swap IV bin collecting parts and pieces to do a 6.0 vortec swap from a 99-03 truck into my 94 Chevy Silverado 5.7 tbi that is to say if the old 5.7 TBI ever dies the swap may happen before it has a chance to die. I would say this swap will be easy so many kits now a day's for the swap.

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